Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:42 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:41 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:19 pm You can gloss over the real issue being discussed here - which is decidedly NOT “is child sex trafficking bad?” - but that would just be more silliness.

Oh, we get the "real" issues:

1.) The rubes must remain focused on the "important" issues, such as climate change, Trump's "crimes," COVID, and the amazing Biden economy.
2.) The rubes have proven dangerous and irrational when infuriated. They must be pacified so that a future January 6th does not ensue.
3.) The rubes must not be presented with an issue to rally and unite behind, lest we have a repeat of the 2016 election.
4.) The rubes must learn to allow their superiors to explain to them what is important, what to think, and what to fear. A rube who thinks for itself is much harder to control.

1. Focus on whatever is important to you but don't claim that an administration cares less about the topic than a different one for made up reasons. That's just called lying.
I don't think I've ever made any implication of that sort. This problem is bigger than a POTUS.
2. Honestly, some people have proven that they cannot tell real from fake so chumming the waters with " it's based on real" info may not be super safe for all
So, again with the paternalism. Because it's not a problem to you, it's not a problem at all; hence, those who see a problem are stupid and irrational.
3. If they were going to unite behind this issue then you'd think that they would start with the tens of thousands of cases reported right in their own backyard and press their churches to root all pedophiles from their ranks immediately. Since they don't, it appears it is no more than just faux outrage meant to try to bolster the credibility of their vote/argument.
You seem to be under the impression that churches and church leaders are getting some sort of pass. Look no further than the Southern Baptist church to see how accountability is coming down left and right.
4. Fear what you fear but see #3 above. When only applied towards democrats, you faux fear is shown as no more than an attempt to justify a weak argument.
I think you're perceiving a false dichotomy. Pedos and traffickers transcend party affiliations. I'm not sure where you're getting the stuff about singling out Democrats.

defixione wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:07 pm Biden hasn't aged a bed, has he.

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:15 pm I think a cabal of elites are having sex with underage victims of human trafficking. And they want it covered up, not stopped

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:43 am The largest trafficking is occurring in Ukraine as Russia has abducted tens of thousands of children and forcibly relocated them to Russia. It is the single greatest area of concern in modern history. Focus your attention there.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:46 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:43 am The largest trafficking is occurring in Ukraine as Russia has abducted tens of thousands of children and forcibly relocated them to Russia. It is the single greatest area of concern in modern history. Focus your attention there.

Right, because taking care of our own backyard makes no sense at all. SMH.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:59 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:46 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:43 am The largest trafficking is occurring in Ukraine as Russia has abducted tens of thousands of children and forcibly relocated them to Russia. It is the single greatest area of concern in modern history. Focus your attention there.

Right, because taking care of our own backyard makes no sense at all. SMH.

Why is it an either/or???

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:59 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:46 am

Right, because taking care of our own backyard makes no sense at all. SMH.

Why is it an either/or???

Sparko's post above says "Focus your attention there." That sounds pretty either/or to me.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:04 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:59 am

Why is it an either/or???

Sparko's post above says "Focus your attention there." That sounds pretty either/or to me.

I think "your" means...you? Has nothing to do with the government?

Otherwise this sounds like the keyboard sixth men on the basketball board warning us fans not to assume victory in the 1/16 game.

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:16 am On the one hand there is a politics-driven hysterical narrative aiming to hurt the administration. On the other, there is an incredible human rights disaster ignored by those virtue signallers on the right posting lunatic fringe click bait.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:14 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:04 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 am

Sparko's post above says "Focus your attention there." That sounds pretty either/or to me.

I think "your" means...you? Has nothing to do with the government?

Otherwise this sounds like the keyboard sixth men on the basketball board warning us fans not to assume victory in the 1/16 game.

I think it makes no difference who the subject of the sentence is. The thread has been a series of jabs at the "rubes" who are concerned about their children getting sex trafficked and who don't think the government is doing a sufficient job of addressing the danger.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:14 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:04 am

I think "your" means...you? Has nothing to do with the government?

Otherwise this sounds like the keyboard sixth men on the basketball board warning us fans not to assume victory in the 1/16 game.

I think it makes no difference who the subject of the sentence is. The thread has been a series of jabs at the "rubes" who are concerned about their children getting sex trafficked and who don't think the government is doing a sufficient job of addressing the danger.

Of course this just isn’t an accurate portrayal of what’s happening here, in this discussion. You keep going back to the well on this, and it’s dry.

It can be - and very much IS - true at the same time that:

1 - child sex trafficking is very real, and very bad; and

2 - the movie being discussed here is, perhaps (or perhaps not) among other things, an exaggerated, scarifying grift that has very real, and very bad side effects.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:28 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:14 am

I think it makes no difference who the subject of the sentence is. The thread has been a series of jabs at the "rubes" who are concerned about their children getting sex trafficked and who don't think the government is doing a sufficient job of addressing the danger.

Of course this just isn’t an accurate portrayal of what’s happening here, in this discussion. You keep going back to the well on this, and it’s dry.

It can be - and very much IS - true at the same time that:

1 - child sex trafficking is very real, and very bad; and

2 - the movie being discussed here is, perhaps (or perhaps not) among other things, an exaggerated, scarifying grift that has very real, and very bad side effects.

And, again I ask, what “very bad side effects”? Specifically.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:14 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:49 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:44 pm

I feel like putting your confidence in the "stated motivations of Tim Ballard and Jim Caviezel" is about as sound logically as saying you were a great free throw shooter in high school and so this carnival game will be a cinch.

What harm can come of it? A very real problem is being brought into the public eye and an organization that does a lot of good is benefiting from it. The only complaints I have seen seem to be that there is some perceived level of hyperbole, which is a subjective criticism.

Lots and lots of harm can come from inducing moral panics by hyperbolic fear porn.

* Scarce law enforcement and prosecutorial resources can be used inefficiently.
* Real victims can be retraumatized over and over again.
* Rubes can become victims of grift.
* The media's attention can be diverted away from other areas worthy of reporting and analysis.
* Tax fraud can be perpetrated on all of us through inappropriate 501(c)(3) and like treatment.
* Rubes can be encouraged to pursue vigilante justice (in which they endanger themselves and others).

And so on.