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Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:51 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:33 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:22 am
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:18 am
And none of that disproves my contention. You can chase symptoms or cure the disease. I know which one I would choose.
When you ASSume...
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
There is no denying that Indigenous women are a disproportionately high percentage of the victims of human trafficking.
https://lawblogs.uc.edu/ihrlr/2021/10/1 ... re-of-law/
But you may want to check in on who it is that are committing a majority of these human trafficking crimes as it doesn't really align with the scary story the GOP is telling you:
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publication ... ities-2023
Of the 1,197 defendants charged with any of the three types of human trafficking offenses in fiscal year 2021:
92% were male
60% were white
20% were black
16% were Hispanic
95% were U.S. citizens
68% had no prior convictions
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:16 pm
solving the migrant issue at its source is exactly what Harris has been working towards (not that any of the racist, xenophobic fucks around here really care)
building a porous wall is nothing more than a political theater bandaid
HOW??? Lol. She was supposed to be in charge of it, and just recently visited the border as a campaign stunt. The democrats are the problem when it comes to immigration. You can't offer handouts to illegals and then wonder why so many keep coming here
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:58 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:22 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:16 pm
If placed one football field apart from each other, this plan would require three million, five hundred twenty thousand turrets.
Better get started, then. Time’s a wastin’.
If you are planning on staffing even one of every three of these turrets with a single live person (who can somehow keep watch 24/7/365.25), you should be aware that you’d need more people than are presently on active duty in the US military. And of course the real bitch of it is that, as your fantasies would have it, there just so happens to be a pool of 10+ million potential prisoners you might conscript for this duty, only they are probably somewhat sympathetic to the people in the crosshairs.
So, by your logic, if we can’t completely fix it right now, better to just throw up our hands and be overrun. Solid.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
by jfish26
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm
HOW??? Lol. She was supposed to be in charge of it, and just recently visited the border as a campaign stunt. The democrats are the problem when it comes to immigration. You can't offer handouts to illegals and then wonder why so many keep coming here
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
Do you know what processing means?
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:02 pm
by jfish26
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:58 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:22 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Better get started, then. Time’s a wastin’.
If you are planning on staffing even one of every three of these turrets with a single live person (who can somehow keep watch 24/7/365.25), you should be aware that you’d need more people than are presently on active duty in the US military. And of course the real bitch of it is that, as your fantasies would have it, there just so happens to be a pool of 10+ million potential prisoners you might conscript for this duty, only they are probably somewhat sympathetic to the people in the crosshairs.
So, by your logic, if we can’t completely fix it right now, better to just throw up our hands and be overrun. Solid.
That of course is not at all what I said here, or have ever said. I don’t believe in solving real problems with fantastical solutions.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:08 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm
HOW??? Lol. She was supposed to be in charge of it, and just recently visited the border as a campaign stunt. The democrats are the problem when it comes to immigration. You can't offer handouts to illegals and then wonder why so many keep coming here
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
OK, lets play "keep them out" vs. "process them". "Them" being illegal immigrants, criminal and drugs.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... e%20timely
The bill included:
- $405 million to hire 1,300 additional Border Patrol Agents to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $239 million to hire 1,000 additional CBP Officers to stop illicit fentanyl and other contraband from entering the U.S (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $755 million to hire an additional 1,600 Asylum Officers and support staff to facilitate timely immigration dispositions (PROCESS THEM)
- $100 million for Homeland Security Investigations to investigate and disrupt transnational criminal organizations and drug traffickers (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $1.3 billion for the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) to fund the hiring of 375 new immigration judge teams to help reduce the immigration case backlog (PROCESS THEM)
- $849 million for cutting-edge detection technology at ports of entry (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $86 million in air and maritime operational support that is central to efforts to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- approximately $1 billion for Central American programming to meet the President’s commitment to invest $4 billion in Central America over four years to address the root causes of migration (KEEP THEM OUT)
So once again, you could have facts checked yourself but chose instead to speak from a position of ignorance.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:10 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:55 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:49 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:16 pm
solving the migrant issue at its source is exactly what Harris has been working towards (not that any of the racist, xenophobic fucks around here really care)
scoring political points by calling for the never-gonna-happen building
of a porous wall is nothing more than a political theater bandaid
Fixed with
addition.
The only way the wall will work is with armed personnel/armed technology to shoot intruders. Trump will make that happen.
There is a zero percent chance that Trump would do that. None. Get real. We don't live in a video game.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:11 pm
by pdub
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:58 pm
So, by your logic, if we can’t completely fix it right now, better to just throw up our hands and be overrun. Solid.
Ah, yes, some have used this same argument against trying to do anything at all to stop the mass shootings in our country.
In one world, there are fewer dangerous guns that can insta-kill by the masses because the 2nd amendment is antiquated.
In yours, they line our entire southern border, because 'fuck em'.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:16 pm
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:08 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
OK, lets play "keep them out" vs. "process them". "Them" being illegal immigrants, criminal and drugs.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... e%20timely
The bill included:
- $405 million to hire 1,300 additional Border Patrol Agents to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $239 million to hire 1,000 additional CBP Officers to stop illicit fentanyl and other contraband from entering the U.S (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $755 million to hire an additional 1,600 Asylum Officers and support staff to facilitate timely immigration dispositions (PROCESS THEM)
- $100 million for Homeland Security Investigations to investigate and disrupt transnational criminal organizations and drug traffickers (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $1.3 billion for the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) to fund the hiring of 375 new immigration judge teams to help reduce the immigration case backlog (PROCESS THEM)
- $849 million for cutting-edge detection technology at ports of entry (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $86 million in air and maritime operational support that is central to efforts to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- approximately $1 billion for Central American programming to meet the President’s commitment to invest $4 billion in Central America over four years to address the root causes of migration (KEEP THEM OUT)
So once again, you could have facts checked yourself but chose instead to speak from a position of ignorance.
The $4,300,000,000 earmarked for DOJ and DHS would have meant $1,221 per turret.* That is less than 1/3 the unit cost per M249 machine gun.
*
BYOW
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:55 pm
by JKLivin
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:08 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
OK, lets play "keep them out" vs. "process them". "Them" being illegal immigrants, criminal and drugs.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... e%20timely
The bill included:
- $405 million to hire 1,300 additional Border Patrol Agents to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $239 million to hire 1,000 additional CBP Officers to stop illicit fentanyl and other contraband from entering the U.S (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $755 million to hire an additional 1,600 Asylum Officers and support staff to facilitate timely immigration dispositions (PROCESS THEM)
- $100 million for Homeland Security Investigations to investigate and disrupt transnational criminal organizations and drug traffickers (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $1.3 billion for the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) to fund the hiring of 375 new immigration judge teams to help reduce the immigration case backlog (PROCESS THEM)
- $849 million for cutting-edge detection technology at ports of entry (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $86 million in air and maritime operational support that is central to efforts to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- approximately $1 billion for Central American programming to meet the President’s commitment to invest $4 billion in Central America over four years to address the root causes of migration (KEEP THEM OUT)
So once again, you could have facts checked yourself but chose instead to speak from a position of ignorance.
You act like giving $1 billion to Central American countries who are not going to do anything more than pocket the money and continue sending their poorest and most criminal up here is somehow to our benefit. And, again, we don’t need to process - we need to keep them out and deport them. Wasted money.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:56 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
Do you know what processing means?
Basically, it seems to mean turning them loose on a promise to appear in court that will never take place. Money well-spent.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:03 pm
by jfish26
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
Do you know what processing means?
Basically, it seems to mean turning them loose on a promise to appear in court that will never take place. Money well-spent.
No, that is what happens NOW. What needs to be fixed is staffing courts and law enforcement such that those court dates actually come and our laws can be constitutionally enforced.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:04 pm
by jfish26
(That, to be clear, is one of many fixes that need to be pursued.)
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:08 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:55 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:08 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
OK, lets play "keep them out" vs. "process them". "Them" being illegal immigrants, criminal and drugs.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... e%20timely
The bill included:
- $405 million to hire 1,300 additional Border Patrol Agents to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $239 million to hire 1,000 additional CBP Officers to stop illicit fentanyl and other contraband from entering the U.S (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $755 million to hire an additional 1,600 Asylum Officers and support staff to facilitate timely immigration dispositions (PROCESS THEM)
- $100 million for Homeland Security Investigations to investigate and disrupt transnational criminal organizations and drug traffickers (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $1.3 billion for the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) to fund the hiring of 375 new immigration judge teams to help reduce the immigration case backlog (PROCESS THEM)
- $849 million for cutting-edge detection technology at ports of entry (KEEP THEM OUT)
- $86 million in air and maritime operational support that is central to efforts to secure the border (KEEP THEM OUT)
- approximately $1 billion for Central American programming to meet the President’s commitment to invest $4 billion in Central America over four years to address the root causes of migration (KEEP THEM OUT)
So once again, you could have facts checked yourself but chose instead to speak from a position of ignorance.
You act like giving $1 billion to Central American countries who are not going to do anything more than pocket the money and continue sending their poorest and most criminal up here is somehow to our benefit. And, again, we don’t need to process - we need to keep them out and deport them. Wasted money.
1) You are making a giant pile of ignorant assumptions regarding what that money would towards. Sorry, but investing in Central America so that people are less inclined to want to come here in the first place is a far cry from wasted money. And pardon me while I laugh hysterically at the clown who called for turret guns on the border talking about what is and is not "wasted money".
2) It is against the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, signed by the US and many other nations, to close our borders entirely to asylum seekers.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:09 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:57 pm
The border legislation that was backloaded with lots of funding for processing new immigrants rather than funding ways to keep them out? The nerve!
Do you know what processing means?
Basically, it seems to mean turning them loose on a promise to appear in court that will never take place. Money well-spent.
The actual facts seem to be once again against you like always.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:12 pm
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:03 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
Do you know what processing means?
Basically, it seems to mean turning them loose on a promise to appear in court that will never take place. Money well-spent.
No, that is what happens NOW. What needs to be fixed is staffing courts and law enforcement such that those court dates actually come and our laws can be constitutionally enforced.
Not quite. What happens now is that they get released, then the vast majority show up for their court date. The problem is that the court date is too far from when they came in so they spend too long in limbo. Those that are determined by the courts to have to go back to where they came from need to be processed and removed quicker and those deemed by the courts to be allowed to stay need to know that quicker so they can get about being productive members of US societies.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:23 pm
by randylahey
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:16 pm
solving the migrant issue at its source is exactly what Harris has been working towards (not that any of the racist, xenophobic fucks around here really care)
building a porous wall is nothing more than a political theater bandaid
HOW??? Lol. She was supposed to be in charge of it, and just recently visited the border as a campaign stunt. The democrats are the problem when it comes to immigration. You can't offer handouts to illegals and then wonder why so many keep coming here
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
Did you read the bill? The majority of the money in it was more aid for Ukraine. The "border bill" was a piece of shit that also allowed thousands of immigrants to still illegally cross daily. The only reason it was even thrown into the mix, was so that libs could claim the pubs "shot down the border bill"
Anyone that actually looked at the bill realized there was absolutely no reason to pass that piece of shit. But some incredibly gullible people like yourself still latched on to the talking point
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:30 pm
by twocoach
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:23 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm
HOW??? Lol. She was supposed to be in charge of it, and just recently visited the border as a campaign stunt. The democrats are the problem when it comes to immigration. You can't offer handouts to illegals and then wonder why so many keep coming here
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
Did you read the bill? The majority of the money in it was more aid for Ukraine. The "border bill" was a piece of shit that also allowed thousands of immigrants to still illegally cross daily. The only reason it was even thrown into the mix, was so that libs could claim the pubs "shot down the border bill"
Anyone that actually looked at the bill realized there was absolutely no reason to pass that piece of shit. But some incredibly gullible people like yourself still latched on to the talking point
The situation at the border would be improving more than it already is if they had passed the bill. That is undeniable. But even without it, border crossings are now down lower than when Trump left office which is pretty amazing this many years after the pandemic.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:50 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:03 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
Do you know what processing means?
Basically, it seems to mean turning them loose on a promise to appear in court that will never take place. Money well-spent.
No, that is what happens NOW. What needs to be fixed is staffing courts and law enforcement such that those court dates actually come and our laws can be constitutionally enforced.
But, how do you keep track of people you turned loose in a country this size when the court date arrives?
Answer: You don’t.
Solution: Don’t let ‘em in to begin with.
Re: Indigenous People's Day
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:52 pm
by JKLivin
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:30 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:23 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:37 pm
It was not the Democrats who spiked the border legislation written by Sen. James Lankford (R-OK).
Did you read the bill? The majority of the money in it was more aid for Ukraine. The "border bill" was a piece of shit that also allowed thousands of immigrants to still illegally cross daily. The only reason it was even thrown into the mix, was so that libs could claim the pubs "shot down the border bill"
Anyone that actually looked at the bill realized there was absolutely no reason to pass that piece of shit. But some incredibly gullible people like yourself still latched on to the talking point
The situation at the border would be improving more than it already is if they had passed the bill. That is undeniable. But even without it, border crossings are now down lower than when Trump left office which is pretty amazing this many years after the pandemic.
Lies. We’ve had more than 10 million (conservative estimate) illegal crossings under Giggles the Border Czar. You can’t start a flood, wait 3 1/2 years, scoop out a bucket of water, and then claim that it’s better than it was.