2022-2023 Lineup

[ousdahl]

hmm, yea maybe.

I guess KJ has been more than anything a defensive specialist. Having Jalen out there with him will help with the boreds. That's why it'd be matchup dependent. And maybe only for a few minutes at that - some midmajor's KJ-sized backup big checks in mid-1st half, put in the track meet. But like you said, maybe that's McC or someone else at the 5 yet.

Short of a sudden shooting touch or playmaking or something, KJ will prob have to prove himself effective on the glass to get much time going forward. It's nice to have that situational defender, but to get big minutes you prob gotta bring more than that. I didn't realize he had short wingspan. Maybe the shoulders are deceiving.

As for rim protection, yea who knows. Then again, we haven't had that consistently in 2 years now, and we still ended up winning a shitload of games.

Didn't KJ jump center in that 2OT game early in conference play?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Well, to be clear, I do think KJ will see some minutes at the 5, it's just that the main rotation guys there are Clemence and Udeh. There will inevitably be scenarios where KJ will spot there including if some team stupidly wants to go small and try and run with us.

KJ is certainly one of the strongest guys on the team, and if there's a knock on Clemence and Udeh at this point, that would be it. I'm hopeful that KJ doesn't get many minutes at the 5 because we won't need him to.

[ousdahl]

yeah.

if Zach is getting pimped then hopefully that means he's ready. He stands as much as anyone to change our look next year. Have we have a center who was also a legit threat from deep?

And I kinda hope Yes can play lead, at least for stretches. I dunno how well it'll work out to spell a non-scoring pg with another non-scoring pg, but these things tend to work themselves out.

[CrimsonNBlue]

And I kinda hope Yes can play lead, at least for stretches. I dunno how well it'll work out to spell a non-scoring pg with another non-scoring pg, but these things tend to work themselves out.

There's so much Self nonsense offseason speak this time of year, but I think the comment he made yesterday about it being a mistake trying to make Yesufu a point guard is probably not that.

If Bobby's health doesn't rebound, then I think you do have to see what you have from Yesufu there, and there's always the safety net of McCullar, but I'd like for him to put back on some weight and play off the ball permanently.

[Cascadia]

Harris
Dick
McCullar
Wilson
Clemence

Pettiford & Yesufu fight for backup PG minutes and limited Wing or 2 Ballhandler minutes
Rice & Adams primary Wing backups
Udeh & Ejiofor fight for backup C minutes. Some scenarios where they play alongside Clemence

Martin and Cuffe hoping for an injury or suspension.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Harris
Dick
McCullar
Wilson
Clemence

Also my prediction today.

Even if Dick and Rice are even, we need the perimeter shooting too bad to go with anyone but Dick, who is probably the best incoming shooter we've had since at least Brannen Greene.

[Deleted User 863]

I don't think we will ever see Udeh and Clemence together next year. KJ and Clemence sure. Maayybe Martin and Clemence if Martin somehow cracks the rotation...but defensively I don't see any chance Udeh and Clemence play together next year. Which of the 2 can guard the perimeter?

[Cascadia]

Harris
Dick
McCullar
Wilson
Clemence

Also my prediction today.

Even if Dick and Rice are even, we need the perimeter shooting too bad to go with anyone but Dick, who is probably the best incoming shooter we've had since at least Brannen Greene.

I also think Rice could suffer a little if Dick is ready to contribute in that Self will not want to play 2 freshman Wings significant minutes. Put another way, I can see a scenario where Dick and Rice get a total of 45-50 minutes a game. If Dick takes 28-33 of those that could limit Rice's minutes.

[ousdahl]

And I kinda hope Yes can play lead, at least for stretches. I dunno how well it'll work out to spell a non-scoring pg with another non-scoring pg, but these things tend to work themselves out.

There's so much Self nonsense offseason speak this time of year, but I think the comment he made yesterday about it being a mistake trying to make Yesufu a point guard is probably not that.

If Bobby's health doesn't rebound, then I think you do have to see what you have from Yesufu there, and there's always the safety net of McCullar, but I'd like for him to put back on some weight and play off the ball permanently.

Either I'm still nervous about not having a scoring threat at pg, or I'm still too drunk on Remy.

[CrimsonNBlue]

And I kinda hope Yes can play lead, at least for stretches. I dunno how well it'll work out to spell a non-scoring pg with another non-scoring pg, but these things tend to work themselves out.

There's so much Self nonsense offseason speak this time of year, but I think the comment he made yesterday about it being a mistake trying to make Yesufu a point guard is probably not that.

If Bobby's health doesn't rebound, then I think you do have to see what you have from Yesufu there, and there's always the safety net of McCullar, but I'd like for him to put back on some weight and play off the ball permanently.

Either I'm still nervous about not having a scoring threat at pg, or I'm still too drunk on Remy.

I definitely get that sentiment, but we're playing with house money next season. Final Four is always the goal, but even at Kansas, you get one gravy season after a natty.

[ousdahl]

it's pretty cool we managed to keep Dajuan/Yes/Bobby/Kyle all on the roster.

It's 4 guys competing for like 1.5 positions.

I say 1.5 cuz that 2-guard spot could just as easily be more of a wing than a small guard.

[ousdahl]

also...shirts?


I would guess Zuby?

[Deleted User 863]

it's pretty cool we managed to keep Dajuan/Yes/Bobby/Kyle all on the roster.

It's 4 guys competing for like 1.5 positions.

I say 1.5 cuz that 2-guard spot could just as easily be more of a wing than a small guard.

Things Self likes:

2 ballhandlers
2 bigs

I think DH Bobby and Yes all play.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Things Self likes more:

Playing to personnel.

Why we haven't played 2 big offense since the Perry Ellis days. Why Devonte' and Devon went solo on the ball.

Why we ran offense through a wing in 2022, a guard in 2018, and a post in 2012.

Why we played at a snail's pace in 2016 and 2018 and fast as hell in 2022.

[ousdahl]

I dunno if we see a proper "two bigs" lineup much, short of getting some freak show of an uber-athlete big who can play on the perimeter too - in which case, is he even a "big," or just a big wing?

but yeah, two ballhandlers.

If last year was any indication tho, Self will play only one "small" guard if the wings are serviceable ballhandlers to go with it. It wasn't like we'd clear out every possession and get the ball to Dajuan to walk it up every possession. Jalen, CB, Och were all able to bring the ball up the court too. This helps when the offensive scheme is to run.

This year, Jalen will once again start a lot of fast breaks. McC should be able to too, right? And the maybe even Dick and/or Rice too.

Maybe we can run, or run faster, with Yes as the other guard, but that would also mean the smallest backcourt Self has ever really played here.

[ousdahl]

I never understood why we played so slow in 21. When the knock on Marcus was he couldn't get past his guy in the half court, then why deliberately set up the half court every single possession?

[CrimsonNBlue]

I dunno if we see a proper "two bigs" lineup much, short of getting some freak show of an uber-athlete big who can play on the perimeter too - in which case, is he even a "big," or just a big wing?

but yeah, two ballhandlers.

If last year was any indication tho, Self will play only one "small" guard if the wings are serviceable ballhandlers to go with it. It wasn't like we'd clear out every possession and get the ball to Dajuan to walk it up every possession. Jalen, CB, Och were all able to bring the ball up the court too. This helps when the offensive scheme is to run.

This year, Jalen will once again start a lot of fast breaks. McC should be able to too, right? And the maybe even Dick and/or Rice too.

Maybe we can run, or run faster, with Yes as the other guard, but that would also mean the smallest backcourt Self has ever really played here.

2 big offense is dead for the foreseeable future. Stubborn Self even said so like 3-4 years ago.

I think we slow down tempo, as much as I hate the idea. Or at least, Self is going to see how Dick, Rice, and even McCullar are on the break. Self did break habit last season by running and Jalen was some of that, but it was even more because of how efficient CB and Och were at finishing on the break.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I never understood why we played so slow in 21. When the knock on Marcus was he couldn't get past his guy in the half court, then why deliberately set up the half court every single possession?

I also hated it.

But I think the reasons are two-fold: CB/Och weren't great finishers that season--see my above post. Also, Self decided the best version of the 2021 team would be playing great defense and running the offense through Dave. That requires a slower pace. The defense was great, but that plan leaves you so susceptible to a hot shooting team.

[Deleted User 863]

Why Devonte' went solo on the ball.

Malik Newman says hello.

[Deleted User 863]

I dunno if we see a proper "two bigs" lineup much, short of getting some freak show of an uber-athlete big who can play on the perimeter too - in which case, is he even a "big," or just a big wing?

but yeah, two ballhandlers.

If last year was any indication tho, Self will play only one "small" guard if the wings are serviceable ballhandlers to go with it. It wasn't like we'd clear out every possession and get the ball to Dajuan to walk it up every possession. Jalen, CB, Och were all able to bring the ball up the court too. This helps when the offensive scheme is to run.

This year, Jalen will once again start a lot of fast breaks. McC should be able to too, right? And the maybe even Dick and/or Rice too.

Maybe we can run, or run faster, with Yes as the other guard, but that would also mean the smallest backcourt Self has ever really played here.

2 big offense is dead for the foreseeable future. Stubborn Self even said so like 3-4 years ago.

He tried playing Dave/Mitch and Dok together.

He has said KJ and Clemence can/will play together.