Kansas Crimson

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am Is it really an "entirely different beast"? It is more infectious, but numbers seem to indicate it isn't any more deadly.....and it's almost not deadly at all for vaccinated individuals.

So as much as we agree on almost all things covid, i do think some of the hysteria and fear mongering gets a little out of control at times. Not speaking about you, since you're not hysterical and don't do the fear mongering, just speaking in general.

Imo there is no reason to even be discussing new lockdowns or mandated vaccination at this point.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:34 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am Is it really an "entirely different beast"? It is more infectious, but numbers seem to indicate it isn't any more deadly.....and it's almost not deadly at all for vaccinated individuals.

So as much as we agree on almost all things covid, i do think some of the hysteria and fear mongering gets a little out of control at times. Not speaking about you, since you're not hysterical and don't do the fear mongering, just speaking in general.

Imo there is no reason to even be discussing new lockdowns or mandated vaccination at this point.

I think the issue is more that you have a more infectious strain, and it is now maybe just a couple of point mutations away from being less protected by the vaccine.

It's just a numbers game. CNN had an article a while back about unvaccinated being mutation factories for the vaccine. It's the reason the vaccinated should encourage the unvaccinated to get inoculated.

Fewer susceptible people = fewer viruses = less chance/more time before mutations occur that evade our vaccine-acquired immunity.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:29 am who is proposing lockdowns?

and yes, practically speaking it IS a different beast...its level of transmissibility alone makes it notably different from the original strain

obviously, it’s a semantic argument of sorts, but if it wasn’t so different i doubt we’d even be having this discussion because we wouldn’t see rates of infections, hospitalizations and deaths rising...even with the behavior of numbskulls

also, i specifically included the practical aspect because in the grand biological scheme it isn’t all that different, but the “on the ground” effect requires renewed mitigation efforts

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:38 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:34 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am Is it really an "entirely different beast"? It is more infectious, but numbers seem to indicate it isn't any more deadly.....and it's almost not deadly at all for vaccinated individuals.

So as much as we agree on almost all things covid, i do think some of the hysteria and fear mongering gets a little out of control at times. Not speaking about you, since you're not hysterical and don't do the fear mongering, just speaking in general.

Imo there is no reason to even be discussing new lockdowns or mandated vaccination at this point.

I think the issue is more that you have a more infectious strain, and it is now maybe just a couple of point mutations away from being less protected by the vaccine.

It's just a numbers game. CNN had an article a while back about unvaccinated being mutation factories for the vaccine. It's the reason the vaccinated should encourage the unvaccinated to get inoculated.

Fewer susceptible people = fewer viruses = less chance/more time before mutations occur that evade our vaccine-acquired immunity.

Can viruses mutate in vaccinated individuals who have breakthrough infections? Does it matter whether they're symptomatic or not?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:34 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am Is it really an "entirely different beast"? It is more infectious, but numbers seem to indicate it isn't any more deadly.....and it's almost not deadly at all for vaccinated individuals.

So as much as we agree on almost all things covid, i do think some of the hysteria and fear mongering gets a little out of control at times. Not speaking about you, since you're not hysterical and don't do the fear mongering, just speaking in general.

Imo there is no reason to even be discussing new lockdowns or mandated vaccination at this point.

I think the issue is more that you have a more infectious strain, and it is now maybe just a couple of point mutations away from being less protected by the vaccine.

It's just a numbers game. CNN had an article a while back about unvaccinated being mutation factories for the vaccine. It's the reason the vaccinated should encourage the unvaccinated to get inoculated.

Fewer susceptible people = fewer viruses = less chance/more time before mutations occur that evade our vaccine-acquired immunity.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:38 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:34 am
I think the issue is more that you have a more infectious strain, and it is now maybe just a couple of point mutations away from being less protected by the vaccine.

It's just a numbers game. CNN had an article a while back about unvaccinated being mutation factories for the vaccine. It's the reason the vaccinated should encourage the unvaccinated to get inoculated.

Fewer susceptible people = fewer viruses = less chance/more time before mutations occur that evade our vaccine-acquired immunity.

Can viruses mutate in vaccinated individuals who have breakthrough infections? Does it matter whether they're symptomatic or not?

Yes, but you have fewer viruses for a shorter amount of time. Mutations happen during replication so the less of that you have the less chance of getting a new variant of concern.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:29 am who is proposing lockdowns?

and yes, practically speaking it IS a different beast...its level of transmissibility alone makes it notably different from the original strain

obviously, it’s a semantic argument of sorts, but if it wasn’t so different i doubt we’d even be having this discussion because we wouldn’t see rates of infections, hospitalizations and deaths rising...even with the behavior of numbskulls

also, i specifically included the practical aspect because in the grand biological scheme it isn’t all that different, but the “on the ground” effect requires renewed mitigation efforts

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:52 am This is just something we are going to live with forever imo. A more contagious and slightly more deadly flu virus. But vaccination reduces chances of death or serious illness to almost 0. Almost all the deaths moving forward will be the idiots who choose not to get vaccinated. That's their choice/freedum.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:56 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:52 am This is just something we are going to live with forever imo. A more contagious and slightly more deadly flu virus. But vaccination reduces chances of death or serious illness to almost 0. Almost all the deaths moving forward will be the idiots who choose not to get vaccinated. That's their choice/freedum.

truer words have never been spoken.

case closed.

lock thread.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:52 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:29 am who is proposing lockdowns?

and yes, practically speaking it IS a different beast...its level of transmissibility alone makes it notably different from the original strain

obviously, it’s a semantic argument of sorts, but if it wasn’t so different i doubt we’d even be having this discussion because we wouldn’t see rates of infections, hospitalizations and deaths rising...even with the behavior of numbskulls

also, i specifically included the practical aspect because in the grand biological scheme it isn’t all that different, but the “on the ground” effect requires renewed mitigation efforts

The mainstream media is discussing new lockdowns almost nightly it seems like.

A few weeks ago people were also saying "nobody is proposing mandatory vaccines"....and now they're popping up in various places.

Also Delta variant is like the 4th variant identified so far, correct? I am not trying to downplay it, but they've (media) done this same thing with at least 1 other variant. Yes it's more contagious. But they've all been extremely contagious.

To me, what it feels like, is that they're (mainstream media) trying to scare people into getting vaccinated. I am all in favor of vaccinations obviously, but part of the reason people on the right have their heels dug in is because of the over the top reaction they see by some on the left. I am not saying that's right, because it's not, but it's happening.

The variants and possible mutations won't be eliminated by getting another 15% of our country vaccinated because much of the rest of the world is also lagging way behind....so we are going to be at risk of mutations of this virus for the rest of our lives. There will be new variants every year is my guess, based on the current rate of new ones popping up.

This is just something we are going to live with forever imo. A more contagious and slightly more deadly flu virus. But vaccination reduces chances of death or serious illness to almost 0. Almost all the deaths moving forward will be the idiots who choose not to get vaccinated. That's their choice/freedum.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 am This is so fucked up. And this is why I'm not listening to the whole "Leave people alone and let them make their own decision" crowd. Anti-vaxxers are agressive, they actively spread their lies, and they won't stop. We need to make sure people know the truth about vaccines and that people who want them aren't prevented from getting them:

Some people in Missouri are getting vaccinated against Covid-19 in secret, doctor says. They fear backlash from loved ones who oppose the vaccines

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/health/v ... index.html

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:34 am Anti-vaxxers: MaNdAtEs Is FaScIsM!!!!


Also anti-vaxxers:

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 am This is so fucked up. And this is why I'm not listening to the whole "Leave people alone and let them make their own decision" crowd. Anti-vaxxers are agressive, they actively spread their lies, and they won't stop. We need to make sure people know the truth about vaccines and that people who want them aren't prevented from getting them:

Some people in Missouri are getting vaccinated against Covid-19 in secret, doctor says. They fear backlash from loved ones who oppose the vaccines

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/health/v ... index.html

"Unlike the Alpha variant that we had back in May, where we didn't believe that if you were vaccinated you could transmit further, this is different now with a Delta variant," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said, citing information investigators found when looking at outbreak clusters.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 am Get vaccinated if you want this to end.