2024

[jhawks99]

Interesting article on why and when confederate statues were erected.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54426688 ... ist-future

The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

"These statues were meant to create legitimate garb for white supremacy," Grossman said. "Why would you put a statue of Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson in 1948 in Baltimore?"

[Overlander]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

1. The only proper answer for Trump would be something to the tune of "I do not support White Nationalism, nor violence toward any race, religion or class of people". He didn't do that, because he thrives on the energy he gets from all of the crotch grabbing and chest thumping.
2. What other name would you give a rally arranged, coordinated and attended by known white nationalists? Are you going to ignore the tiki torch masses marching to the tune of "the jews will not replace us!" Or violently shoving attendees and degrading those that aren't wearing their cute little Nazi cosplay outfits.

You are either stupid, or ok with this. Either way, you and your type are dangerous.

[jfish26]

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

1. The only proper answer for Trump would be something to the tune of "I do not support White Nationalism, nor violence toward any race, religion or class of people". He didn't do that, because he thrives on the energy he gets from all of the crotch grabbing and chest thumping.
2. What other name would you give a rally arranged, coordinated and attended by known white nationalists? Are you going to ignore the tiki torch masses marching to the tune of "the jews will not replace us!" Or violently shoving attendees and degrading those that aren't wearing their cute little Nazi cosplay outfits.

You are either stupid, or ok with this. Either way, you and your type are dangerous.

This is one of the problems with the absolutist, ni shagu nazad approach that Trump has emboldened MAGA to take to everything. The inability to never, ever, under any circumstance make an unqualified, I fucked up apology means that there is no such thing as a "denouncement" that carries any weight.

[twocoach]

Throughout history, the tearing down of monuments and statues is pretty common. It's a tactic used to demoralize people. It's an attack on culture, used to erase a people's history. Typically it is not something done with good intent. There were people there to protest this concept. Trying to lump everyone into this group of "white supremacy/hate" just isn't accurate

Also trump word for word denounced white supremacy within seconds of the same phrase the left turned into a propaganda smear campaign against him. So that breaks that narrative

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

JFC you're dense.

1) Yes, he said EXACTLY that. And yes, he also said additional things that for purposes of a "did Obama lie" debate are irrelevant.
2) The Unite the Right rally was a protest that only happened BECAUSE it was planned, organized and coordinated by multiple white supremacist groups. It was THEIR EVENT. They didn't just roll up to someone else's civil war statue protest. How fucking hard is this to understand?

This is a fucking white supremacist rally, no matter how hard you try to diffuse it and play it down.

[MICHHAWK]

do you find that the folks listen to you more better when you cuss and call them names. or when you treat them like civilized human beings.

[Overlander]

Again, the ONLY reason we are discussing this is because YOU stated that Obama LIED by saying "who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally". Try to stay focused. We aren't discussing this to try to give Trump grief about it. That has been done enough.

1) Trump said exactly that and 2) it WAS a white supremacist rally. Obama did not lie.

1. Trump didn't say exactly that, the video is right there, go rewatch it for context
2. Saying it was a white supremacist rally is misinformation. There was a lot more to that situation than that

JFC you're dense.

1) Yes, he said EXACTLY that. And yes, he also said additional things that for purposes of a "did Obama lie" debate are irrelevant.
2) The Unite the Right rally was a protest that only happened BECAUSE it was planned, organized and coordinated by multiple white supremacist groups. It was THEIR EVENT. They didn't just roll up to someone else's civil war statue protest. How fucking hard is this to understand?

This is a fucking white supremacist rally, no matter how hard you try to diffuse it and play it down.

"this city is run by Jewish communists and criminal niggers"
"we are not non-violent, we will kill people if we have to"

Just good ol fashioned banter. Nothing to see here.

[jfish26]

do you find that the folks listen to you more better when you cuss and call them names. or when you treat them like civilized human beings.

do you find that the folks listen to you more better when you purposefully misspell certain people's names. or when you treat them like civilized human beings.

[twocoach]

do you find that the folks listen to you more better when you cuss and call them names. or when you treat them like civilized human beings.

What I have found is that you do not listen to anyone regardless how they speak to you. Civil people treat each other with respect and listen to what each other have to say in a conversation. I assume that everyone here is civil and deserves to be treated with respect until they prove otherwise. By continually ignoring the efforts at civil discourse here, you are showing yourself to be disrespectful and no longer deserve to be treated with respect. Fuck you.

[Overlander]

We had 2 trolls. One is currently in time out.
Randy feels the need to pick up the slack and take the trolling up a notch.

Mich is the resident lazy provocateur. Just doing his part.
Mich is apparently in charge of snide comments for the next week or so.

[MICHHAWK]

Fuck you.

the social medias brings out the best in you.

[TDub]

ugh buckle up. this week's gonna make like Bubba sparxxx and get ugly uglayy

[randylahey]

Trump word for word condemned white supremacy in that speech. But it isn't the snippet they chose to parrot and repeat for years. Why is that?

[randylahey]

[randylahey]

Why is it the portion of what trump said that the media (and a few of you) have used for years was the part about fine people? which he then clarified specifically, he wasn't talking about neo nazis or white nationalists

When they just as easily, and more truthfully, repeated the part where he condemned white nationalism and neo nazis?

One tactic was very divisive. The other would have been unifying, and more honest

[twocoach]

Fuck you.

the social medias brings out the best in you.

Don't blame others. It's you.

[twocoach]

Why is it the portion of what trump said that the media (and a few of you) have used for years was the part about fine people? which he then clarified specifically, he wasn't talking about neo nazis or white nationalists

When they just as easily, and more truthfully, repeated the part where he condemned white nationalism and neo nazis?

One tactic was very divisive. The other would have been unifying, and more honest

Because Trump has zero clue who else was there and neither do you. You're assuming it ONLY because he said so. It was a white nationalist rally with hundreds in attendance, not thousands. I don't assume that a bunch of random suburban moms also chose to attend it. Do you see any "very fine people" standing around the outskirts of the processions of white supremist Nazis marching down the street that look like "I was just here because that statue reminds me of eating lunch in the park with my Grandpa when I was a kid"? Me neither.

[MICHHAWK]

who is the one that got the bots moving this morning. me. so yeah. thank me very much.

[randylahey]

Why is it the portion of what trump said that the media (and a few of you) have used for years was the part about fine people? which he then clarified specifically, he wasn't talking about neo nazis or white nationalists

When they just as easily, and more truthfully, repeated the part where he condemned white nationalism and neo nazis?

One tactic was very divisive. The other would have been unifying, and more honest

Because Trump has zero clue who else was there and neither do you. You're assuming it ONLY because he said so. It was a white nationalist rally with hundreds in attendance, not thousands. I don't assume that a bunch of random suburban moms also chose to attend it. Do you see any "very fine people" standing around the outskirts of the processions of white supremist Nazis marching down the street that look like "I was just here because that statue reminds me of eating lunch in the park with my Grandpa when I was a kid"? Me neither.

But you know? Do you understand how ignorant that is to say? That you know more about every person present in some random location at a certain point in time than the sitting president, who has every surveillance and intel resource imaginable at his finger tips

Were you there or something? Were you one of the white supremacists twocoach

[KUTradition]

triggered

[MICHHAWK]

you're soft. you should probably sit out the next week or so. you'll get crushed.