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The new HC, whoever it is will get an idea on the roster make up and have some sort of an idea of who he wants to keep and who will transfer out. From there you connect the dots to the assistant and keep them on board to try and save the most valuable pieces of the roster.
I’m going on record as saying Monken will be the next HC at KU and if he is I am hoping he can keep 80% of the current roster. Kids will come and go but that is why you hire a guy like Monken to fill their spaces.

Monken or Leipold. Please let it be one of these two. The life time football fan in me says we are all going to get kicked in the dick and Ku hires Clint Bowen.

Everything I see about Monken says a big part of his plan would be bringing Nate Woody, his defensive coordinator, with him if he takes this job. Army did have the #1 defense in college football last year, although with the weird Covid season that probably doesn't mean as much as it usually would. I do hope that Chevis Jackson would have a spot on the new coaching staff.

On a side note, is anyone else kind of being pleasantly surprised by DeBord so far? I'll admit I was not big on the hire at all but the more I hear players talk about the offense and everything, I feel like he is skilled at fitting his offense to his personnel which is something we need at Kansas.

He was really good as an OC at Tennessee. Top 25 offense and they ran and threw the ball really well. Something like 290 yards per game on the ground rushing and 280 through the air in 2015.

Been an OC 4 times and a HC (albeit a shitty HC) but that experience matters. He is probably really expensive to let go, so I imagine that he is here for his 2 years. But he'll run an offense in conjunction with what Monken/Leipold want.

From things I've heard with him, he is a very diverse offense. And he incorporates many different aspects of his offense. Sometimes they'll be an RPO-focused offense, sometimes they'll run options, sometimes they'll do an Air-Raid type of offense and sometimes they'll run power football under center. He's not strictly one or the other. He wants to mix it up.

For the most part I liked what I saw from DJ Eliot last year. His defense was one of the lone, bright spots and often kept KU in games far longer than they should have been. That being said whoever the new HC is he can bring whoever he likes for his OC and DC.

Seems like DeBord is the anti-Dearmon (remember that guy). Dearmon was Air Raid or nothing were DeBord is going to take the teams strengths and build the offense around those parts. That was something I consistently said last year was the sum of the parts didn't fit the overall scheme. It felt like KU was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

UnholyLivingDead wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:45 amOn a side note, is anyone else kind of being pleasantly surprised by DeBord so far?

We haven't even played the Spring Game yet.

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:22 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:38 pm At first I thought it was Leipold’s job if he wanted it and I was pumped for that. Now I believe it is Monken’s to lose and I’m even more excited.
You get Monken in this program and you retain Jones, Eargle, Chavis and possibly Drake you may not lose much or any of your roster. At the same time roster attrition is going to happen when a coaching change takes place.

Surely, any coach would want to come in with their own guys, right?

I'd love for those guys to stay, especially Jones, but why would a coach ditch some of his own dudes that may have been at his side for several years to keep a few leftovers from the previous unsuccessful staff?

Any time a coach bumps up a level, they tend to assemble a staff from a national pool.

Usually helpful to have a coach or two or 3 that know the current roster, area, athletic dept., etc.

I am not suggesting we force anyone on the new guy, especially the coordinators.

I heard Kirby this morning say unequivocally that Monken would not run an option offense here. That would change my outlook on his candidacy.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:36 am I heard Kirby this morning say unequivocally that Monken would not run an option offense here. That would change my outlook on his candidacy.

It's a must, for me. Provided he completely hands the reins to the offense over to the OC.

We are like at least 3 coaches in a row, now, where they have been at least rumblings that the OC has been handcuffed by the HC. There aren't a ton of HC/OC combos where that works out, and has been disastrous with our last 3 HC's.

Monken has been outspoken that he wouldn't run the triple option at a power 5 school. I would imagine he would still run option concepts, just not the Flexbone/triple option he runs at Army. My guess is his offense would look more like what we've seen Coastal Carolina run.

UnholyLivingDead wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:45 am Monken has been outspoken that he wouldn't run the triple option at a power 5 school. I would imagine he would still run option concepts, just not the Flexbone/triple option he runs at Army. My guess is his offense would look more like what we've seen Coastal Carolina run.

Coastal Carolina runs a version of the option. They just run it from spread and the gun. That's the offense you are going to see. Use those triple option principles, just have more options from that. I mean shit, Coastal had plenty of instances where they ran the ball at a 75/25 Run/Pass Ratio. All from the gun. And they absolutely destroyed and brokedown teams.

I understand your hesitation Fish, because Kansas would be the only P5 team running the triple option and that would give you a leg up on the competition.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:39 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:36 am I heard Kirby this morning say unequivocally that Monken would not run an option offense here. That would change my outlook on his candidacy.

It's a must, for me. Provided he completely hands the reins to the offense over to the OC.

We are like at least 3 coaches in a row, now, where they have been at least rumblings that the OC has been handcuffed by the HC. There aren't a ton of HC/OC combos where that works out, and has been disastrous with our last 3 HC's.

Which part is a must? That he has to run an option or that he has to hand over the reins to an OC?

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:55 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:39 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:36 am I heard Kirby this morning say unequivocally that Monken would not run an option offense here. That would change my outlook on his candidacy.

It's a must, for me. Provided he completely hands the reins to the offense over to the OC.

We are like at least 3 coaches in a row, now, where they have been at least rumblings that the OC has been handcuffed by the HC. There aren't a ton of HC/OC combos where that works out, and has been disastrous with our last 3 HC's.

Which part is a must? That he has to run an option or that he has to hand over the reins to an OC?

No Option is a must. And because it is Monken and his history is option, he also needs to hand the reins over.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:52 am

UnholyLivingDead wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:45 am Monken has been outspoken that he wouldn't run the triple option at a power 5 school. I would imagine he would still run option concepts, just not the Flexbone/triple option he runs at Army. My guess is his offense would look more like what we've seen Coastal Carolina run.

Coastal Carolina runs a version of the option. They just run it from spread and the gun. That's the offense you are going to see. Use those triple option principles, just have more options from that. I mean shit, Coastal had plenty of instances where they ran the ball at a 75/25 Run/Pass Ratio. All from the gun. And they absolutely destroyed and brokedown teams.

I understand your hesitation Fish, because Kansas would be the only P5 team running the triple option and that would give you a leg up on the competition.

Oh, to be clear, I would not want him to run the triple option here. I get the zigging-while-others-are-zagging thing, but where you're just never, ever going to beat out the other local P5 schools for offensive line size/talent, a run-first offense is the wrong zig.

Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:03 am Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

Not sure if this was directed at me, but yes, that helps with me because I don't want the option here.

Whether Monken or Leipold will work out here or not is anyone's guess.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:03 am Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

Yes, absolutely.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:16 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:03 am Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

Yes, absolutely.

Same boat.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:12 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:03 am Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

Not sure if this was directed at me, but yes, that helps with me because I don't want the option here.

Whether Monken or Leipold will work out here or not is anyone's guess.

I generally like the "guy who has had success without resources" profile.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:12 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:03 am Ok. So you like Monken more then without being a strictly triple option offense?

Not sure if this was directed at me, but yes, that helps with me because I don't want the option here.

Whether Monken or Leipold will work out here or not is anyone's guess.

Gotcha. Yeah it was to both you and Fish in a way. I think either "work" because work for Kansas football is something like 4-8 or 5-7 with competitive games against the top teams. I think either can achieve those.

I loved the Cromwell wishbone years. But it only works with a freakish athlete QB not injured by a bigger team.