Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:53 pm
I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.
I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.
For several months Fauci said they were unsure if it was airborne and said we didn't need masks.TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:23 pmhow so?IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:49 am So that basically means Fauci lied for months also?
when did Fauci ever downplay the severity? maybe i’m wrong, but i recall him always following the science
I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.
WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:04 pmI'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.
Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pmWHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.
Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?
"Do" I? Now? No.NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pmWHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.
Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?
If he had been truthful is a lot different than if he had lied, and Woodward released in April.jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:14 pm"Do" I? Now? No.NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pmWHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.
Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?
But all of this denial and dereliction comes from licking Trump's boots. If he'd been truthful, responses would have been better.
It's not half.IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:14 pmNope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pmWHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.
Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?
But it’s not an either/or thing. Woodward did the public a disservice, in furtherance of sales. That’s true, even though it’s inarguably true that what Trump did is much worse.
Yes. Probably half. The best way to stop the spread is a nearly full on shutdown like the successful countries have done. We stopped our half assed shutdown far too early...and didn't shutdown nearly enough things. People became complacent and lost desire to lockdown for numerous reasons.twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:40 pmIt's not half.IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:14 pmNope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pm
WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.
Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?
seriously, links?IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:01 pmFor several months Fauci said they were unsure if it was airborne and said we didn't need masks.TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:23 pmhow so?IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:49 am So that basically means Fauci lied for months also?
when did Fauci ever downplay the severity? maybe i’m wrong, but i recall him always following the science
It was damn near summer before they publicly said it was airborne iirc.
But that's my point: fully 1/3 of the country will believe whatever Trump tells them to believe. If he would have told the truth, our path would have been very. very different.IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:59 pmYes. Probably half. The best way to stop the spread is a nearly full on shutdown like the successful countries have done. We stopped our half assed shutdown far too early...and didn't shutdown nearly enough things. People became complacent and lost desire to lockdown for numerous reasons.twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:40 pmIt's not half.IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:14 pm
Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.
This is from a few months ago...
https://apnews.com/915fdbccb3434fee125efaaaaefba0af
"Half of Americans now favor stay-at-home orders, down from about 6 in 10 one month ago and 8 in 10 in April. And about 6 in 10 favor limits on how many people can gather together, down from about 7 in 10 one month ago and about 8 in 10 in April."