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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:29 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:26 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:52 pm
I spend my time worrying about myself and my family. I don't give a damn about idiots not getting vaccinated and potentially dying. If I don't think it's safe for me or my family outside then we will stay inside until all the unvaccinated idiots die off. The vaccine makes it safe for me to go outside so i go outside. When it wasn't safe i stayed in.
You're on here defending their "rights" all day, so clearly you do care.
Nah. Don't care. I hope they change their minds and get vaccinated though. Although it won't make much difference unless they're willing to do it every year. What % of our population gets a flu shot every year? Almost the exact same that has received the covid shots. This is not new.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:30 pm
by sdoyel
The unvaxed can stay that way for all I care. Just stay off my airplane, out of my restaurant, out of my grocery store, theater, shopping mall, city bus, subway, and anywhere else you want to go… Stay home.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:33 pm
by Deleted User 863
sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:30 pm
The unvaxed can stay that way for all I care. Just stay off my airplane, out of my restaurant, out of my grocery store, theater, shopping mall, city bus, subway, and anywhere else you want to go… Stay home.
Agreed.
But they're not all "your" airplanes restaurants grocery stores theaters shopping malls city buses subways and everywhere else. So whoever owns an operates those things you mentioned will need to require it as well. And if they don't it'll be your choice to go somewhere else. I will do the same. Hopefully most business owners share your stance, but something tells me about 45% of them don't. So stick to our 55% and let them stick to theirs.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:45 pm
by twocoach
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:59 pm
i don’t want to go off in a tangent here, but the idea that life begins at fertilization is...odd
why stop there? eggs and sperm are living prior to fertilization
imo, the question begins and ends with viability outside of the womb
Life as a citizen of the United States begins when you are born meeting the criteria for citizenship. The Constitution applies to citizens of the US.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:49 pm
by Mjl
What'd I miss?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:50 pm
by pdub
If everyone who didn't get the vaccine had a 100% chance of dying in 3 days, your water analogy holds water.
People have different beliefs and reasons for the things they do and don't.
I don't agree with the people who choose to not get the vaccine.
We can inform them. We can even ridicule them or shame them ( pretty sure that won't help them go out and get one ).
We shouldn't force them though.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:52 pm
by pdub
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:45 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:59 pm
i don’t want to go off in a tangent here, but the idea that life begins at fertilization is...odd
why stop there? eggs and sperm are living prior to fertilization
imo, the question begins and ends with viability outside of the womb
Life as a citizen of the United States begins when you are born meeting the criteria for citizenship. The Constitution applies to citizens of the US.
The Constitution of course isn't the end all of arguments about the beginning of life.
And it also can be amended.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:56 pm
by Deleted User 863
If you're vaccinated you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to die by getting covid. I'd worry about staying inside during thunderstorms and stop the hysteria that 45% of our country doesn't get vaccinated yearly (for covid and for the flu).
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:36 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:50 pm
If everyone who didn't get the vaccine had a 100% chance of dying in 3 days, your water analogy holds water.
People have different beliefs and reasons for the things they do and don't.
I don't agree with the people who choose to not get the vaccine.
We can inform them. We can even ridicule them or shame them ( pretty sure that won't help them go out and get one ).
We shouldn't force them though.
Some things are subjective. Other things are objectively right or wrong.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:42 pm
by PhDhawk
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:56 pm
If you're vaccinated you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to die by getting covid. I'd worry about staying inside during thunderstorms and stop the hysteria that 45% of our country doesn't get vaccinated yearly (for covid and for the flu).
When the restrictions start coming back I'm going to be pissed, and I'll be pissed at the unvaxxed. If I have to teach online again, if Microsoft grandkids has to play hockey with a mask, if I can't eat at my favorite restaurant because of reduced seating, etc, etc, I will be passed at the unwanted. If I was a gym owner, theater owner, bar owner etc etc I'd be mad as he'll at the lazy irresponsible cowards who won't get a harmless shot.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:50 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:50 pm
If everyone who didn't get the vaccine had a 100% chance of dying in 3 days, your water analogy holds water.
People have different beliefs and reasons for the things they do and don't.
I don't agree with the people who choose to not get the vaccine.
We can inform them. We can even ridicule them or shame them ( pretty sure that won't help them go out and get one ).
We shouldn't force them though.
Doesn't have to be water.
Any dumb thing people do.
Why aren't Illy et al on here going, "Look, I wash my hands after I shit. But I'll fight to the death for people's rights to not wash their hands. The govt can't tell you what to do to your body. If you don't want people with shit covered hands preparing your food, stop eating out. Sure enteric pathogens male you shit your brains out, but nearly all healthy people survive."
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:50 pm
by PhDhawk
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:50 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:50 pm
If everyone who didn't get the vaccine had a 100% chance of dying in 3 days, your water analogy holds water.
People have different beliefs and reasons for the things they do and don't.
I don't agree with the people who choose to not get the vaccine.
We can inform them. We can even ridicule them or shame them ( pretty sure that won't help them go out and get one ).
We shouldn't force them though.
Doesn't have to be water.
Any dumb thing people do.
Why aren't Illy et al on here going, "Look, I wash my hands after I shit. But I'll fight to the death for people's rights to not wash their hands. The govt can't tell you what to do to your body. If you don't want people with shit covered hands preparing your food, stop eating out. Sure enteric pathogens make you shit your brains out, but nearly all healthy people survive."
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm
by twocoach
9ur school district made their decision today. K-6 elementary schools will require masks of all kids and staff, will be optional. Middle schools and the high school will be masks optional.
As the parent of an unvaccinated 3rd grader, I am happy this was the decision and sad this had to be decided. We shouldn't still be at this point. This was completely avoidable if it wasn't for freedumb.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 pm
by TDub
Pre- 12 mask required here
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 pm
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm
9ur school district made their decision today. K-6 elementary schools will require masks of all kids and staff, will be optional. Middle schools and the high school will be masks optional.
As the parent of an unvaccinated 3rd grader, I am happy this was the decision and sad this had to be decided. We shouldn't still be at this point. This was completely avoidable if it wasn't for freedumb.
My 5th grader will be first in line for the shot.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:20 pm
by sdoyel
No mask mandate here in DFW, my 5yo starts Kindergarten next week. He will wear a mask anyway, so will much of his classmates… He’s used to it, unfortunately.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:36 am
by pdub
I wouldn’t fight to the death but I’d be opposed to the federal or state government mandating that people wash their hands and enforcing it by installing scanners at businesses etc that would determine if your hands were clean enough.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:24 am
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:42 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:56 pm
If you're vaccinated you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to die by getting covid. I'd worry about staying inside during thunderstorms and stop the hysteria that 45% of our country doesn't get vaccinated yearly (for covid and for the flu).
When the restrictions start coming back I'm going to be pissed, and I'll be pissed at the unvaxxed. If I have to teach online again, if Microsoft grandkids has to play hockey with a mask, if I can't eat at my favorite restaurant because of reduced seating, etc, etc, I will be passed at the unwanted. If I was a gym owner, theater owner, bar owner etc etc I'd be mad as he'll at the lazy irresponsible cowards who won't get a harmless shot.
The vaccinated are still contracting and spreading the virus too.
When restrictions come back i won't be pissed at anyone. I will be pissed there is a virus. Restrictions are meant to help keep us safe. Many establishments will ignore the restrictions. I won't go to those places.
Last time restrictions were put in place restaurants were closed, but casinos weren't. Because keeping people safe is important, but making money for the states is too. So it's okay to spread the virus as long as it makes the states enough money?
Responsible people should get vaccinated and stay home/socially distance from those outside their household until this is over. Which may be years or decades. It may also take getting a shot every single year. Stop depending on the idiots amongst us to keep you safe. That's a futile effort.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:39 am
by Deleted User 863
sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:20 pm
No mask mandate here in DFW, my 5yo starts Kindergarten next week. He will wear a mask anyway, so will much of his classmates… He’s used to it, unfortunately.
Not sure what my kids school will do yet. If no masks my kids probably will stay home. The masks protect infected from spreading the virus as easily. It is minimally effective at preventing infection.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:43 am
by Deleted User 863
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm
This was completely avoidable
No it wasn't. Vaccinated individuals are still contracting and spreading the virus. The ONLY way this was avoidable in this country is if the virus never left China where it originated (either naturally or in a lab).
Is the flu virus completely avoidable? We have vaccines for that virus too. And it's less contagious than covid.