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At a much lower rate.

The few breakthrough cases have fewer places to go if everyone is vaccinated.

We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am At a much lower rate.

The few breakthrough cases have fewer places to go if everyone is vaccinated.

We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

Half or more of the infected vaccinated people are asymptomatic and they still aren't sure if those people can spread virus. So i suspect the number of breakthrough cases is much higher than reported because vaccinated asymptomatic people don't get tested and vaccinated people who have mild symptoms are also much less likely to go get tested because they may just think they have the sniffles.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:36 am I wouldn’t fight to the death but I’d be opposed to the federal or state government mandating that people wash their hands and enforcing it by installing scanners at businesses etc that would determine if your hands were clean enough.

Those laws exist and I don't hear you fighting it.

And it's worse than scanners public. Restaurants have to post (gasps) signs and posters as CONSTANT reminders.

Each poster just salt on the wounds of the rights of every restaurant employee.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:07 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am At a much lower rate.

The few breakthrough cases have fewer places to go if everyone is vaccinated.

We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

Half or more of the infected vaccinated people are asymptomatic and they still aren't sure if those people can spread virus. So i suspect the number of breakthrough cases is much higher than reported because vaccinated asymptomatic people don't get tested and vaccinated people who have mild symptoms are also much less likely to go get tested because they may just think they have the sniffles.

Even in random testing, they have fewer positive cases.

More importantly they aren't putting hospitals at a threat of overcrowding, which is the biggest issue right now.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:13 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:18 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:13 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

If vaccinated people can still get and spread the virus then eradication is unlikely without worldwide prolonged lockdown. Everyone shelters in place for 3-4weeks. Everyone. No exceptions.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:23 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:18 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:13 am

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

If vaccinated people can still get and spread the virus then eradication is unlikely without worldwide prolonged lockdown. Everyone shelters in place for 3-4weeks. Everyone. No exceptions.

Can you imagine the run on TP again...lol.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:18 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:13 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:02 am We didn't have zero cases in mid June but numbers were low. The spike is from the unvaccinated.

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

This plus the states/counties/cities deciding to lift all of the mandates waaaay too early. This allowed the great unwashed to congregate and overcrowd most public places across the country. Shit show doesn't even begin to describe it. Now we're two weeks away from millions of unvaccinated young kids being in classrooms with no masks, no social distancing, and no real safety protocols in place. It's gonna be great...again.

Blame squarely falls at the feet of the unvaccinated and those politicians and media figures who continue to push misleading claims and outright lies. As somebody stated above, if I'm a retail business owner of any kind, I'd be livid at those folks.

Saw on the news the other day that some KC restaurants like Hamburger Mary's is only allowing people in their restaurants that can prove they have been vaccinated. More places need to do this and maybe those who refuse to get vaccinated will get the hint, i.e. you're not wanted nor welcome in our establishment.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:23 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:18 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:13 am

We have more people vaccinated now than we did in June.

We've discussed a little bit, but isn't this likely here to stay regardless of what % of our population is vaccinated? The vaccine prevents death. Our treatments continue to improve. Young people will likely be able to get vaccinated soon. This is the new flu. Yearly shots. Some will get them and some won't. Most of the deaths will be people who don't get vaccinated.

Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

If vaccinated people can still get and spread the virus then eradication is unlikely without worldwide prolonged lockdown. Everyone shelters in place for 3-4weeks. Everyone. No exceptions.

The goal doesn't have to de eradication. Certainly not right now. You just need to reduce the spread. There's a HUGE difference between an R0 of 0.8 and an R0 On 2.5 in terms of community spread.

If THE ONLY thing vaccines did was reduce the rate of transmission it would be a good thing.

What bizarre world are we living in where something has to be 100% or it's useless. Hand washing caused the rate of infant mortality to plummet...but Illy would been there to point out that some children still died as infants....guess there's no reason to wash hands, doc.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:09 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:36 am I wouldn’t fight to the death but I’d be opposed to the federal or state government mandating that people wash their hands and enforcing it by installing scanners at businesses etc that would determine if your hands were clean enough.

Those laws exist and I don't hear you fighting it.

And it's worse than scanners public. Restaurants have to post (gasps) signs and posters as CONSTANT reminders.

Each poster just salt on the wounds of the rights of every restaurant employee.

I wouldn't care if there were posters at the doors ( i mean, there are everywhere i go ) that ask the unvaccinated to wear masks. My issue would be a government enforcement of mandatory vaccines.

we are at 70% with at least one shot. we ain't getting to 100%. that is a dumb@$$ pipe dream.

what % will satisfy you @$$holes so we don't have to listen to the same bull$#!t day in and day out. seriously.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:43 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm This was completely avoidable

No it wasn't. Vaccinated individuals are still contracting and spreading the virus. The ONLY way this was avoidable in this country is if the virus never left China where it originated (either naturally or in a lab).

Is the flu virus completely avoidable? We have vaccines for that virus too. And it's less contagious than covid.

I was talking about having to still wear masks a year and a half after covid's arrival being completely avoidable, not covid coming to America. I didn't think it was a particularly complex point that I made.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:47 am we are at 70% with at least one shot. we ain't getting to 100%. that is a dumb@$$ pipe dream.

what % will satisfy you @$$holes so we don't have to listen to the same bull$#!t day in and day out. seriously.

Dumbfuck

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:47 am we are at 70% with at least one shot. we ain't getting to 100%. that is a dumb@$$ pipe dream.

what % will satisfy you @$$holes so we don't have to listen to the same bull$#!t day in and day out. seriously.

Whatever percentage it takes for us to live our lives normally. When we don't have to wear masks to the grocery store and our kids don't have to wear masks to school. When businesses can operate to their potential and their capacity instead of reducing their potential income to avoid public health disasters.

shindig wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:36 am Saw on the news the other day that some KC restaurants like Hamburger Mary's is only allowing people in their restaurants that can prove they have been vaccinated. More places need to do this and maybe those who refuse to get vaccinated will get the hint, i.e. you're not wanted nor welcome in our establishment.

Now you are going to see this on KansasCrimson.com

The unvaccinated have an excellent argument that it's ignorant to do as such.
A vaccinated person can still get and carry the virus.
An unvaccinated person may not get nor carry the virus.
So they are basically saying it's ok to let someone with the virus enter their restaurant as long as they are vaccinated - but they won't let someone in their restaurant who does NOT have the virus because they are not vaccinated?
That's some typical USA logic for you.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:47 am we are at 70% with at least one shot. we ain't getting to 100%. that is a dumb@$$ pipe dream.

what % will satisfy you @$$holes so we don't have to listen to the same bull$#!t day in and day out. seriously.

Ideally, 438%.

I think 4 and 3/8 doses for everyone would do it.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:23 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:18 am
Except the flu doesn't cause schools to require masks, it doesn't cause 600 000 deaths in a little over a year, look at the numbers, we aren't even close to the place you're claiming, and it's because people won't get vaccinated.

If vaccinated people can still get and spread the virus then eradication is unlikely without worldwide prolonged lockdown. Everyone shelters in place for 3-4weeks. Everyone. No exceptions.

The goal doesn't have to de eradication. Certainly not right now. You just need to reduce the spread. There's a HUGE difference between an R0 of 0.8 and an R0 On 2.5 in terms of community spread.

If THE ONLY thing vaccines did was reduce the rate of transmission it would be a good thing.

What bizarre world are we living in where something has to be 100% or it's useless. Hand washing caused the rate of infant mortality to plummet...but Illy would been there to point out that some children still died as infants....guess there's no reason to wash hands, doc.

What did i say was useless?

I certainly don't think the vaccine is useless.

Your strawmans don't work.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:40 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:09 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:36 am I wouldn’t fight to the death but I’d be opposed to the federal or state government mandating that people wash their hands and enforcing it by installing scanners at businesses etc that would determine if your hands were clean enough.

Those laws exist and I don't hear you fighting it.

And it's worse than scanners public. Restaurants have to post (gasps) signs and posters as CONSTANT reminders.

Each poster just salt on the wounds of the rights of every restaurant employee.

I wouldn't care if there were posters at the doors ( i mean, there are everywhere i go ) that ask the unvaccinated to wear masks. My issue would be a government enforcement of mandatory vaccines.

The right to not wash hands is sacred. We were endowed by our creator to have feces covered hands if we so choose. The Gov't can't tell me otherwise. {Toby Keith, "Courtesy the Red, White and Blue" plays in the background}