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IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:23 pm So trump should have told us but it is okay that fauci didnt?

I guess i just don't agree with that thinking.

My fascination with Fauci is due to exactly what you said....he is the ONE person on that task force who had an opinion i trusted.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:28 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:23 pm So trump should have told us but it is okay that fauci didnt?

I guess i just don't agree with that thinking.

My fascination with Fauci is due to exactly what you said....he is the ONE person on that task force who had an opinion i trusted.

so, no...you don’t understand how science (and good scientists) work

they aren’t going to make official statements based on what was then anecdotal evidence. it’s really no difference than Fauci not getting behind hydroxychloroquin. the scientific evidence just wasn’t there, just like the evidence wasn’t there until May/June or whenever that airborne transmission was the primary mode of transmission. Fauci said on multiple occasions that “we” should be overreacting specifically because this was a deadly pandemic, and if you thought you were doing enough, you more than likely weren’t (which has proven overwhelmingly to be the case).

RussianHawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:41 pm Two points: If the White House which is ultimately ran by the President says don't talk about something then as an administration official you don't, unless you want to be fired. Also, it's my guess that early reports of virus being airborne were more than likely classified so the only person able to actually share this information legally is the President.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:43 pm

RussianHawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:41 pm Two points: If the White House which is ultimately ran by the President says don't talk about something then as an administration official you don't, unless you want to be fired. Also, it's my guess that early reports of virus being airborne were more than likely classified so the only person able to actually share this information legally is the President.

fair enough, but EVERYTHING else seems to leak to the media from this White House so this could have easily as well....but it didn't.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:42 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:28 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:23 pm So trump should have told us but it is okay that fauci didnt?

I guess i just don't agree with that thinking.

My fascination with Fauci is due to exactly what you said....he is the ONE person on that task force who had an opinion i trusted.

so, no...you don’t understand how science (and good scientists) work

they aren’t going to make official statements based on what was then anecdotal evidence. it’s really no difference than Fauci not getting behind hydroxychloroquin. the scientific evidence just wasn’t there, just like the evidence wasn’t there until May/June or whenever that airborne transmission was the primary mode of transmission. Fauci said on multiple occasions that “we” should be overreacting specifically because this was a deadly pandemic, and if you thought you were doing enough, you more than likely weren’t (which has proven overwhelmingly to be the case).

I can't help but see the hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Trump was making official statememts based on anecdotal evidence about hydroxychloroquine, and that was incredibly stupid (which i totally agree)....but now we are ONLY mad at trump for not making official statements based on anecdotal evidence about airborne transmission? Fauci gets a pass on that? I am a huge Fauci fan, but i disagree there.

I know it is hard to do nowadays....but we can agree on part of this (that trump not sharing the liklihood of airborne transmission earlier and admitting to downplaying everything to avoid panic is/was inexcusable), and also disagree if it looks bad on others. If you want to give Fauci a pass by all means feel free, but I don't.

To me, the bigger deal is admitting he downplayed it on purpose. That is incredibly fucked up since it helped shaped how many people chose to view the virus....and even more crazy that it is continuing even currently.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:50 pm illy, you’re drawing an equivalency on a relatively minute point...distilling the whole issue down to transmissibility. the issue in my mind is that Fauci didn’t downplay the severity of the situation, which trump did numerous times.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:07 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:28 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:59 pm
Yes. Probably half. The best way to stop the spread is a nearly full on shutdown like the successful countries have done. We stopped our half assed shutdown far too early...and didn't shutdown nearly enough things. People became complacent and lost desire to lockdown for numerous reasons.

This is from a few months ago...

https://apnews.com/915fdbccb3434fee125efaaaaefba0af

"Half of Americans now favor stay-at-home orders, down from about 6 in 10 one month ago and 8 in 10 in April. And about 6 in 10 favor limits on how many people can gather together, down from about 7 in 10 one month ago and about 8 in 10 in April."

But that's my point: fully 1/3 of the country will believe whatever Trump tells them to believe. If he would have told the truth, our path would have been very. very different.

Very true. I totally agree with that.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:02 pm These are the nights I watch fox news to see how they flip the script.