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UnholyLivingDead wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:41 am

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:50 pm

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:26 pm When was the last time Monken was a part of a staff that didn't run the triple option? I assume he ran it at Georgia Southern...

Monken started as a grad asst. under Paul Johnson. He continued to coach under Johnson at Georgia Southern (1997–2001), at Navy (2002–2007), and at Georgia Tech (2008–2009) before taking the head coaching position at Georgia Southern. Now he only worked on the offensive side and he only has worked with one offensive philosophy. This is all the guy knows. You want him as a HC only if he does not run the only thing he knows?????

Jeff Monken isn't a play caller and he's not the offensive coordinator. His two previous head coaching stops are at triple option schools. That offense is part of the culture there for various reasons. Remember how we had a guy who literally wrote the book on the RPO offense but Les Miles couldn't help himself from meddling in it and the offense never became all it could be? Meanwhile Carter Stanley was an absolute stud when Dearmon was allowed to just run his stuff (see the Boston College win and the loss vs. Texas that year). If, and yes I understand it is an if because Monken and Leipold seem to be neck and neck here, Monken does get the job, reports are part of his plan is to hire a sitting OC and let them run their system. He wants to be a CEO-type coach that lets his coaches coach and his coordinators run their game plan. If he hires an OC that exclusively runs the triple option out of the Flexbone, then we'll worry about that. His offense is going to depend a lot more on the OC he would hire rather than where he's coached before.

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:06 pm "Asst up-and-comer type"

Eric Bienemy.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:28 pm Listening to Aqib's podcast....

Aqib and Harris both mentioned reaching out to Les and previous coaches about players they knew about who could be guys that KU should look after. Said they never heard anything back and they finally got fed up and stopped calling. Aqib mentioned that with the hiring of Stuck that should be corrected.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:47 am

UnholyLivingDead wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:41 am

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:50 pm

Monken started as a grad asst. under Paul Johnson. He continued to coach under Johnson at Georgia Southern (1997–2001), at Navy (2002–2007), and at Georgia Tech (2008–2009) before taking the head coaching position at Georgia Southern. Now he only worked on the offensive side and he only has worked with one offensive philosophy. This is all the guy knows. You want him as a HC only if he does not run the only thing he knows?????

Jeff Monken isn't a play caller and he's not the offensive coordinator. His two previous head coaching stops are at triple option schools. That offense is part of the culture there for various reasons. Remember how we had a guy who literally wrote the book on the RPO offense but Les Miles couldn't help himself from meddling in it and the offense never became all it could be? Meanwhile Carter Stanley was an absolute stud when Dearmon was allowed to just run his stuff (see the Boston College win and the loss vs. Texas that year). If, and yes I understand it is an if because Monken and Leipold seem to be neck and neck here, Monken does get the job, reports are part of his plan is to hire a sitting OC and let them run their system. He wants to be a CEO-type coach that lets his coaches coach and his coordinators run their game plan. If he hires an OC that exclusively runs the triple option out of the Flexbone, then we'll worry about that. His offense is going to depend a lot more on the OC he would hire rather than where he's coached before.

Co-sign.

All valid points but you need to understand what you wrote.
Jeff Monken coached for Paul Johnson who ran the TO offense. Then he became a HC at two schools and ran the TO offense. They do not really call plays in the TO offense. You either run it to the left or run it to the right. Dearmon could have been a stud OC but we freaking hired les Miles. Which was a mistake. Les loves two tight ends and a fullback. And when your dumb and you hire a HC that sucks at the offensive game planning then you kinda deserve what you get. So lets hire Monken who is going to hire an OC, say someone like Dearmon. Then lets say we are playing Texas and we game planning. The HC is not going to be any help and if he does get involved most likely a deterrent. I would prefer a HC that would have the skill set to help out maybe even run one side of the ball. Kinda like Riley at OU or Stark at UT.

We don't need a CEO we need a football coach.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:38 pm Lots of info we already know but some new names. Mike Elko from A&M. Tom Manning from Iowa State.

Manning a finalist for assistant coach of the year in 2019. NFL assistant for a year. Been with Campbell for quite a while.

Elko a DC for last 10+ years at Bowling Green, Wake Forest, Notre Dame and A&M.

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... ansas-mix/

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:03 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:28 pm Listening to Aqib's podcast....

Aqib and Harris both mentioned reaching out to Les and previous coaches about players they knew about who could be guys that KU should look after. Said they never heard anything back and they finally got fed up and stopped calling. Aqib mentioned that with the hiring of Stuck that should be corrected.

This doesn't bother me at all. Should it?

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:03 am We may never know the true extent of who was really interested and who was anting up their existing pay day but for once KU football actually has legit sitting HCs and up and coming DCs / OCs interested in this job. Between an actual talented staff and a very promising roster this might be the most optimistic I have ever been about the future of KU football.





I can’t believe I just typed that sentence.