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A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:00 am In order of who got favoritism..

Bills


Chiefs

Bengals

fyp

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 am A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

Welcome to the land of 'the worst'.

I was taken to task for praising EMTs. Plenty o room

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 am A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

Agree with this. Crazy to think that if it is a Bills vs Chiefs championship game it will probably be played somewhere like Indy since they won't be needing it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:44 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:07 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:00 am Here's also the thing. The Chiefs got helped tremendously, because even if they lose and Buffalo wins this weekend, the Chiefs will not have to go to Buffalo for AFC Champ Game.

So to recap, the Chiefs are 9 point favorites in a game that if they win, they get the 1 seed and the bye.
If they lose, and Buffalo win, the Chiefs will play the 7 seed and then host probably Cincy and then play Buffalo on a neutral field if Buffalo wins their playoff game.

The Chiefs probably got the top end of the deal and it's not close.

Leveled, unbiased take. Nice.

If you're going to do jokey, ad hoc rulemaking, this result was probably the best one.

Also welcome to the land just right over the border of the worst.
Like dual citizenship of 'stop arguing or else you're the worst' and 'you're the worst' but living most of the time in 'you're the worst'.

Oh boy.
Newton and CnB break out the list, it could be long.

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 am A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

The NFL put itself in this position. Probably didn't even cross their mind that they'd might have to postpone a game mid-game or possibly not make up a game because that's money lost for them and there's no way that they would even consider it.

Then they got caught in a bind because the entire sports world said postponing is absolutely what you have to do and players and coaches on both teams refused to play. Given the timing, they're only looking at this from a dollars standpoint and not making up the game saves them more money than having to move the entire playoffs. For the first time, playing a football game would be less revenue than not playing a football game. Egotistical ignorance is how they ended up here.

"Egotistical ignorance is how they ended up here."

Agreed.
But that doesn't warrant changing the rules on the fly.
Not when it really only directly impacts the two teams that were involved in why this scenario exists.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:04 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 am A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

The NFL put itself in this position. Probably didn't even cross their mind that they'd might have to postpone a game mid-game or possibly not make up a game because that's money lost for them and there's no way that they would even consider it.

Then they got caught in a bind because the entire sports world said postponing is absolutely what you have to do and players and coaches on both teams refused to play. Given the timing, they're only looking at this from a dollars standpoint and not making up the game saves them more money than having to move the entire playoffs. For the first time, playing a football game would be less revenue than not playing a football game. Egotistical ignorance is how they ended up here.

I think the basic question is: would this jokey, ad hoc rulemaking have been done if the game was suspended due to weather or something like a water main break?

I have a very, very, very hard time believing that there was not a plan in place (especially during Covid) for what would happen in the standings if a game was canceled and could not be made up before the playoffs. There's no WAY this wasn't considered.

I have a feeling that we're seeing the jokey, ad hoc rulemaking because applying the rules as written would be bad for the Bills, and no one wants to be bad to the Bills right now.

"...because applying the rules as written would be bad for the Bills, and no one wants to be bad to the Bills right now."

jfish is correct.

People ( especially sports media ) don't want to touch that in fear of ( I hate calling getting cancelled or I hate using the thrown around terms 'faux outrage' bc of the general group those terms are associated with - but it's basically that ) pushback.

If the game was 31-10 Bengals with 2 minutes left and this happened, what then?

Discussing this has nothing to do with understanding that the Bills went through an emotional roller coaster with what happened to their teammate. It has nothing to do with not caring about Hamlin, his family or his recovery. It has to do with altering rules and making up new scenarios.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:21 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:04 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 am A canceled game should have neen a rule. Either counted as a tie or just left to winning .pct. You can also count the final score of the suspended game if both teams have been on offense. The latter is probably best. But a rule should already be in place. Unbelievable.

COVID caused plenty of reschedules. There should be room in a schedule not overcrowded by 17 games to always makeup a game though.

The NFL put itself in this position. Probably didn't even cross their mind that they'd might have to postpone a game mid-game or possibly not make up a game because that's money lost for them and there's no way that they would even consider it.

Then they got caught in a bind because the entire sports world said postponing is absolutely what you have to do and players and coaches on both teams refused to play. Given the timing, they're only looking at this from a dollars standpoint and not making up the game saves them more money than having to move the entire playoffs. For the first time, playing a football game would be less revenue than not playing a football game. Egotistical ignorance is how they ended up here.

I think the basic question is: would this jokey, ad hoc rulemaking have been done if the game was suspended due to weather or something like a water main break?

I have a very, very, very hard time believing that there was not a plan in place (especially during Covid) for what would happen in the standings if a game was canceled and could not be made up before the playoffs. There's no WAY this wasn't considered.

I have a feeling that we're seeing the jokey, ad hoc rulemaking because applying the rules as written would be bad for the Bills, and no one wants to be bad to the Bills right now.

Oh brother.


Also, they're operating under this situation, not some other hypothetical one, so I don't think it's worth the exercise nor can any hypo be seen as a congruous situation to the present. They were unprepared, which sucks, but making it up on the fly is something they have to do now because they were unprepared. It's a shitty situation with bad results and fans don't need to get all bent out of shape over it.

"but making it up on the fly is something they have to do now because they were unprepared".

But no, not really.
They don't need to make anything up.
If the game is not played, it is a no contest.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:26 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:21 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:04 am

The NFL put itself in this position. Probably didn't even cross their mind that they'd might have to postpone a game mid-game or possibly not make up a game because that's money lost for them and there's no way that they would even consider it.

Then they got caught in a bind because the entire sports world said postponing is absolutely what you have to do and players and coaches on both teams refused to play. Given the timing, they're only looking at this from a dollars standpoint and not making up the game saves them more money than having to move the entire playoffs. For the first time, playing a football game would be less revenue than not playing a football game. Egotistical ignorance is how they ended up here.

I think the basic question is: would this jokey, ad hoc rulemaking have been done if the game was suspended due to weather or something like a water main break?

I have a very, very, very hard time believing that there was not a plan in place (especially during Covid) for what would happen in the standings if a game was canceled and could not be made up before the playoffs. There's no WAY this wasn't considered.

I have a feeling that we're seeing the jokey, ad hoc rulemaking because applying the rules as written would be bad for the Bills, and no one wants to be bad to the Bills right now.

Oh brother.


Also, they're operating under this situation, not some other hypothetical one, so I don't think it's worth the exercise nor can any hypo be seen as a congruous situation to the present. They were unprepared, which sucks, but making it up on the fly is something they have to do now because they were unprepared. It's a shitty situation with bad results and fans don't need to get all bent out of shape over it.

If you're not doing, here, exactly what you would do in other "no one's fault" cancellation scenarios...then your process here is wrong.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:30 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:26 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:21 am

I think the basic question is: would this jokey, ad hoc rulemaking have been done if the game was suspended due to weather or something like a water main break?

I have a very, very, very hard time believing that there was not a plan in place (especially during Covid) for what would happen in the standings if a game was canceled and could not be made up before the playoffs. There's no WAY this wasn't considered.

I have a feeling that we're seeing the jokey, ad hoc rulemaking because applying the rules as written would be bad for the Bills, and no one wants to be bad to the Bills right now.

Oh brother.


Also, they're operating under this situation, not some other hypothetical one, so I don't think it's worth the exercise nor can any hypo be seen as a congruous situation to the present. They were unprepared, which sucks, but making it up on the fly is something they have to do now because they were unprepared. It's a shitty situation with bad results and fans don't need to get all bent out of shape over it.

If you're not doing, here, exactly what you would do in other "no one's fault" cancellation scenarios...then your process here is wrong.

Yes, but it's mostly because the NFL chose to not make up the game. That's not fair to the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, or even the Ravens. Making the game up after Week 18 isn't ideal, either, but logistically, there wasn't any other choice. Spiking the game is what is causing the issues here and is why the process is wrong.

I'll just say this. Say the Chiefs were provided with these hypotheticals on Monday afternoon, before the Bills and Bengals took the field..

1. Chiefs are offered the 1 seed and a bye with a win against the Raiders in week 18, but you "might" have to play the AFC Champ Game on a neutral field, it would be an absolute no-brainer yes.

2. Compared to, say that wasn't offered, the Bills beat Cincy and then beat NE, over a 50% chance that would have happened, the Chiefs now are the 2 seed, play the 7 seed and then have a better than decent chance of having to go to Buffalo in January.

Chiefs take scenario 1 all day, every day.

The NFL wanted the game played that night.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:35 am I'll just say this. Say the Chiefs were provided with these hypotheticals on Monday afternoon, before the Bills and Bengals took the field..

1. Chiefs are offered the 1 seed and a bye with a win against the Raiders in week 18, but you "might" have to play the AFC Champ Game on a neutral field, it would be an absolute no-brainer yes.

2. Compared to, say that wasn't offered, the Bills beat Cincy and then beat NE, over a 50% chance that would have happened, the Chiefs now are the 2 seed, play the 7 seed and then have a better than decent chance of having to go to Buffalo in January.

Chiefs take scenario 1 all day, every day.

Yes, good point.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:33 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:30 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:26 am

Oh brother.


Also, they're operating under this situation, not some other hypothetical one, so I don't think it's worth the exercise nor can any hypo be seen as a congruous situation to the present. They were unprepared, which sucks, but making it up on the fly is something they have to do now because they were unprepared. It's a shitty situation with bad results and fans don't need to get all bent out of shape over it.

If you're not doing, here, exactly what you would do in other "no one's fault" cancellation scenarios...then your process here is wrong.

Yes, but it's mostly because the NFL chose to not make up the game. That's not fair to the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, or even the Ravens. Making the game up after Week 18 isn't ideal, either, but logistically, there wasn't any other choice. Spiking the game is what is causing the issues here and is why the process is wrong.

I don't disagree with that. And if the fact is that (1) there was NOT a plan for what to do with a game you don't make up before the playoffs, AND (2) this IS what you would have done in any other "no fault" cancellation scenario, then ok, whatever.

But it does not make any sense at all that, during Covid especially, no one had ever considered this scenario. Of course they did - we all did! And if the plan all along was to do something like what's being done here...it would have been announced that way, probably a day or three ago.

So that's why this just smells like deviating from the plan/rules, because of the specific details of the scenario. And that, while well-intentioned, is not good process.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:35 am 2. Compared to, say that wasn't offered, the Bills beat Cincy and then beat NE, over a 50% chance that would have happened, the Chiefs now are the 2 seed, play the 7 seed and then have a better than decent chance of having to go to Buffalo in January.

The Bills had a 60% chance to loose when the game was suspended, Bengals up 7-3 and nearly in Bills territory.

Add that to the 20% chance or so they would have to loose to the Pats, it would certainly statistically be well under 50%.