Kansas Crimson

turnovers (assists):

Elmarko - 5 (1)
Harris - 4 (7)
Furphy - 4 (3)
Adams - 3 (6)
McDowell - 1 (0)

Dickinson - 0 (5)
Timberlake - 0 (3)

gotta be better going forward

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 am turnovers (assists):

Elmarko - 5 (1)
Harris - 4 (7)
Furphy - 4 (3)
Adams - 3 (6)
McDowell - 1 (0)

Dickinson - 0 (5)
Timberlake - 0 (3)

gotta be better going forward

Yeah, KU probably doesn't win many games in which it has 18 turnovers. If they can keep that down to 10 in the next game, I'd be thrilled.

We won this game because Self is masterful at game planning with time. I’m sure he’s good on the 1 day rest games, but I hope my feelings about this groups’ ability to grasp what he wants is way way off.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 am turnovers (assists):

Elmarko - 5 (1)
Harris - 4 (7)
Furphy - 4 (3)
Adams - 3 (6)
McDowell - 1 (0)

Dickinson - 0 (5)
Timberlake - 0 (3)

gotta be better going forward

Elmarko was lost much of last night. Play at the end was important, too, but throwing to ghosts not good.

last night really just makes me wonder how different last year might have gone had Self not had the health scare

So, I'm sure it's been mentioned, but...how nice that we won't need a new game thread for tomorrow!

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:00 am last night really just makes me wonder how different last year might have gone had Self not had the health scare

So hard to say. We won the conference tournament with Norm didn't we?

Unfortunately I think it would have gone about the same. Maybe we get by Arkansas but last years team had their issues and deficiencies too.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:02 am So, I'm sure it's been mentioned, but...how nice that we won't need a new game thread for tomorrow!

Oh, good! That way we won't have to manufacture an enthusiastic mood, because it will already be there!

Right?

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:54 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 am turnovers (assists):

Elmarko - 5 (1)
Harris - 4 (7)
Furphy - 4 (3)
Adams - 3 (6)
McDowell - 1 (0)

Dickinson - 0 (5)
Timberlake - 0 (3)

gotta be better going forward

Elmarko was lost much of last night. Play at the end was important, too, but throwing to ghosts not good.

That pass was to Arterio.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:16 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:00 am last night really just makes me wonder how different last year might have gone had Self not had the health scare

So hard to say. We won the conference tournament with Norm didn't we?

Unfortunately I think it would have gone about the same. Maybe we get by Arkansas but last years team had their issues and deficiencies too.

We went over this.
Bill Self certainly is worth 2 points.
You yourself said he's one of the best X's and O's guys out there.



We'd have a far far better chance to beat Arkansas with Self than with Norm ( we didn't win the conference title with Norm -- we got absolutely annihilated to Texas ).
Issue is, next up would have been red hot eventual champ UConn.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:51 am

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:54 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 am turnovers (assists):

Elmarko - 5 (1)
Harris - 4 (7)
Furphy - 4 (3)
Adams - 3 (6)
McDowell - 1 (0)

Dickinson - 0 (5)
Timberlake - 0 (3)

gotta be better going forward

Elmarko was lost much of last night. Play at the end was important, too, but throwing to ghosts not good.

That pass was to Arterio.

Who then was gonna pass it to Yesufu.

hopefully that was elmarko getting his "first ncaa game jitters" out of his system.

I think +/- is a mostly useless stat except for extremes like Elmarko last night.

But I do still see some flashes -- you can see how he has an ability to create a shot somewhere.
He has a very sharp pull up jumper when he gets to that spot.
Just good luck getting him to that spot.

we are going to need elmarko tomorrow. we are going to need everybody tomorrow.

tomorrow is all hands on deck.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:56 pm I think +/- is a mostly useless stat except for extremes like Elmarko last night.

But I do still see some flashes -- you can see how he has an ability to create a shot somewhere.
He has a very sharp pull up jumper when he gets to that spot.
Just good luck getting him to that spot.

And it's almost always not within the flow of offense. It's iso ball/ball sticking individual offense....and a mid range jumper, which is statistically a not a good shot. Although I think mid range jumpers are useful to open other things up.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:28 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:56 pm I think +/- is a mostly useless stat except for extremes like Elmarko last night.

But I do still see some flashes -- you can see how he has an ability to create a shot somewhere.
He has a very sharp pull up jumper when he gets to that spot.
Just good luck getting him to that spot.

And it's almost always not within the flow of offense. It's iso ball/ball sticking individual offense....and a mid range jumper, which is statistically a not a good shot. Although I think mid range jumpers are useful to open other things up.

If you can hit them, there are statistically a good shot but I know what you mean.
Having an iso guy can be very helpful in situations.
He's far from an 'iso guy' right now. He's kinda far from '[some type of]' guy.

at the moment. elmarko is a nothing guy.

any points. any production. anything positive we get from elmarko is an absolute bonus.

but. we gotta have it.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:35 pm

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:28 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:56 pm I think +/- is a mostly useless stat except for extremes like Elmarko last night.

But I do still see some flashes -- you can see how he has an ability to create a shot somewhere.
He has a very sharp pull up jumper when he gets to that spot.
Just good luck getting him to that spot.

And it's almost always not within the flow of offense. It's iso ball/ball sticking individual offense....and a mid range jumper, which is statistically a not a good shot. Although I think mid range jumpers are useful to open other things up.

If you can hit them, there are statistically a good shot but I know what you mean.
Having an iso guy can be very helpful in situations.
He's far from an 'iso guy' right now. He's kinda far from '[some type of]' guy.

wrong

he’s solidly a “wtf turnover” guy right now

He was 1st team All American of that last night.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:20 pm He was 1st team All American of that last night.

A league of his own