OFFICIAL DEBATE DRINKING THREAD

[Sparko]

This was the moment when vance fact checked the moderators in front of the whole country, and vance was right. Those immigrants did not go through the process of becoming "legal", but rather a temporary legal status with a asterisk by it. And the people should know that part of the equation.

It exposed how biased the media is and was an embarrassment for them, which is why they silenced his mic

And you show up. And lie as told.

[twocoach]

This was the moment when vance fact checked the moderators in front of the whole country, and vance was right. Those immigrants did not go through the process of becoming "legal", but rather a temporary legal status with a asterisk by it. And the people should know that part of the equation.

It exposed how biased the media is and was an embarrassment for them, which is why they silenced his mic

No, he is not correct that simply applying for asylum via the app changes you from "here illegally" to "here legally, but temporarily". That is a lie.

Temporary Protected Status (TPS) has nothing to do with using the app to apply for asylum.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temp ... 1%20online.

To be eligible for TPS, you must:

Be a national of a country designated for TPS, or a person without nationality who last habitually resided in the designated country;
File during the open initial registration or re-registration period, or you meet the requirements for late initial filing during any extension of your country’s TPS designation (Late initial filers see ‘Filing Late’ section below);
Have been continuously physically present (CPP) in the United States since the effective date of the most recent designation date of your country; and
Have been continuously residing (CR) in the United States since the date specified for your country. (See your country’s TPS web page to the left). The law allows an exception to the continuous physical presence and continuous residence requirements for brief, casual and innocent departures from the United States. When you apply or re-register for TPS, you must inform USCIS of all absences from the United States since the CPP and CR dates. USCIS will determine whether the exception applies in your case.
You may NOT be eligible for TPS or to maintain your existing TPS if you:

Have been convicted of any felony or two or more misdemeanors committed in the United States;
Are found inadmissible as an immigrant under applicable grounds in INA section 212(a), including non-waivable criminal and security-related grounds;
Are subject to any of the mandatory bars to asylum. These include, but are not limited to, participating in the persecution of another individual or engaging in or inciting terrorist activity;
Fail to meet the continuous physical presence and continuous residence in the United States requirements;
Fail to meet initial or late initial TPS registration requirements; or
If granted TPS, you fail to re-register for TPS, as required, without good cause.

You are a liar.

[jfish26]

This was the moment when vance fact checked the moderators in front of the whole country, and vance was right. Those immigrants did not go through the process of becoming "legal", but rather a temporary legal status with a asterisk by it. And the people should know that part of the equation.

It exposed how biased the media is and was an embarrassment for them, which is why they silenced his mic

You are giving away the game here: the white Christian supremacists you have thrown in with regard things like "legal status" as being in the eye of the beholder.

[twocoach]

This was the moment when vance fact checked the moderators in front of the whole country, and vance was right. Those immigrants did not go through the process of becoming "legal", but rather a temporary legal status with a asterisk by it. And the people should know that part of the equation.

It exposed how biased the media is and was an embarrassment for them, which is why they silenced his mic

You are giving away the game here: the white Christian supremacists you have thrown in with regard things like "legal status" as being in the eye of the beholder.

If you hear Trump or Vance use some sort of absurd, smart ass descriptor such as here when Vance says that temporary legal status is granted "at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border magic wand" then it means they are lying. They just plug in a lie whenever the truth does not support them. They are practiced lies and they are intentional. People like Mich and Randy and JK don't skip a beat because they really aren't listening and the lie further supports their inaccurate stance.

[randylahey]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

That's much different than "legal immigrant"

[randylahey]

Speaking of lies.... this was pretty cute. Walz had to admit to the whole nation he lied about his background. If he would lie about something as petty as this, what won't he lie about

[randylahey]

But it's not as bad as saying you're "friends with school shooters"

Worst line in debate history??

[jfish26]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

That's much different than "legal immigrant"

It is.

But not for the purposes for which you're drawing a distinction.

You are more or less saying out loud that it's ok to demonize and villainize those with TPS. That it's ok to lie about them, and stoke violence against them, and ruin American cities in support of those lies and that violence.

[Overlander]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

Kind of like “innocent until proven guilty”.

[jhawks99]

This was the moment when vance fact checked the moderators in front of the whole country, and vance was right. Those immigrants did not go through the process of becoming "legal", but rather a temporary legal status with a asterisk by it. And the people should know that part of the equation.

It exposed how biased the media is and was an embarrassment for them, which is why they silenced his mic

The rules were you can't call me out on my bullshit. How dare you call me out on my bullshit.

[twocoach]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

That's much different than "legal immigrant"

And what does that have to do with the lie that Vance told and that you agreed with? They are not here illegally and they were not granted that status by applying for asylum via the CBP1 app.

[JKLivin]

Speaking of lies.... this was pretty cute. Walz had to admit to the whole nation he lied about his background. If he would lie about something as petty as this, what won't he lie about

Walz tried using Giggles' word salad/obfuscation/"I'm from a middle-class family" approach. It fell flat and made him look desperate. Giggles apparently has either a little more practice at it, has no conscience, or some combination of the two.

[twocoach]

Speaking of lies.... this was pretty cute. Walz had to admit to the whole nation he lied about his background. If he would lie about something as petty as this, what won't he lie about

Walz tried using Giggles' word salad/obfuscation/"I'm from a middle-class family" approach. It fell flat and made him look desperate. Giggles apparently has either a little more practice at it, has no conscience, or some combination of the two.

He did what every other politician who doesn't want to admit a negative does in such a situation. He chose instead to talk about what he wanted to talk about, which is what you hail Trump as being a genius for.

[pdub]

OK but what is worse?
Walz generally avoiding the question regarding a lie that he was at some place 30 years ago a month or so different than the time he actually was OR
Vance generally avoiding the question asking if Trump lost the 2020 election?

Come on randy and psych, you can get this question right, just really use all the juice in that brain of yours.

[randylahey]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

That's much different than "legal immigrant"

It is.

But not for the purposes for which you're drawing a distinction.

You are more or less saying out loud that it's ok to demonize and villainize those with TPS. That it's ok to lie about them, and stoke violence against them, and ruin American cities in support of those lies and that violence.

Lets stop you right there, nobody is saying that. They are attacking the politicians that support dumping large populations of immigrants in American cities, which clearly is problematic

[pdub]

Lets stop you right there, nobody is saying that

[randylahey]

Lets stop you right there, nobody is saying that

And it's a common haitian practice, for both food and religion. There is proof haitian immigrants have done it when immigrating elsewhere, there is proof they have caught and killed geese from the park. Could just be a matter of time. The residents claim it's happening, so you can't really just dismiss it as a lie. Unsubstantiated rumor is fair, at this point.

But again... in no way is that supporting or stoking violence against them.

In the contrary, a reoccurring theme we see, in this country and others, is illegal immigrants committing crimes and violence against citizens

[jfish26]

It's literally called "temporary protected status"

That's much different than "legal immigrant"

It is.

But not for the purposes for which you're drawing a distinction.

You are more or less saying out loud that it's ok to demonize and villainize those with TPS. That it's ok to lie about them, and stoke violence against them, and ruin American cities in support of those lies and that violence.

Lets stop you right there, nobody is saying that. They are attacking the politicians that support dumping large populations of immigrants in American cities, which clearly is problematic

But you ARE saying that. Whether you want to be, or not, you ARE.

Your Yale Law hero openly admitted to "creating stories" about Haitians in Springfield to draw attention to his ideological point. He THEN openly admitted to not caring at all about whether or not the Haitians are legally here. He has determined that legal status is in the eye of the beholder (not in the eyes of the law).

In creating these stories, and showing contempt for our laws, he and his running mate have turned Springfield upside down.

They are stoking hatred and violence, and inviting the same sorts of people Trump would release from prison on day one to enforce their views of "legal status" on whatever targets seem right for the reaping.

And you ARE, whether you want to be or not, cheering it on.

[JKLivin]

Speaking of lies.... this was pretty cute. Walz had to admit to the whole nation he lied about his background. If he would lie about something as petty as this, what won't he lie about

Walz tried using Giggles' word salad/obfuscation/"I'm from a middle-class family" approach. It fell flat and made him look desperate. Giggles apparently has either a little more practice at it, has no conscience, or some combination of the two.

He did what every other politician who doesn't want to admit a negative does in such a situation. He chose instead to talk about what he wanted to talk about, which is what you hail Trump as being a genius for.

Talking about what you want to talk about as a means of making sure your message is conveyed is different than talking about what you want to talk about as a means of trying to cover up your ridiculous lies.

But you already knew that.

[JKLivin]

OK but what is worse?
Walz generally avoiding the question regarding a lie that he was at some place 30 years ago a month or so different than the time he actually was OR
Vance generally avoiding the question asking if Trump lost the 2020 election?

Come on randy and psych, you can get this question right, just really use all the juice in that brain of yours.

There are legitimate questions and there are WokeGotcha questions. The former require an answer; the latter get the response they deserve.