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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:07 pm
by PhDhawk
It's still likely that the rate if transmission is reduced and probably for a shorter time. And of course, the vaccinated are less likely to get the virus in the first place.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:10 pm
by PhDhawk
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
It's also likely that the reason the delta variant is so prevalent, rather than having multiple strains causing infections, is that the vaccine was so effective against previous strains.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:39 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Vaccine passports are the only way forward.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:41 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:01 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:16 pm
This from the conclusions section which i found interesting and a positive sign as we learn to continue life with covid...
"In early October 2020, the WHO also publicly announced that projections show COVID-19 to be fatal for approximately 0.14% of those who become ill—compared to 0.10% for endemic influenza—again a figure far lower than expected"
Sorry, but how is 0.14% possible?
630,000 people have died in the US. For the fatality rate to be 0.14% you would need 450 million infections. That's like 100 million more infections than there are people.
To calculate the fatality rate wouldn't they use the global numbers of infections and deaths?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 pm
by Deleted User 863
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
That's not science. The virus was already mutating before the vaccine, and continues to mutate after the vaccine. It can mutate in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. Vaccination doesn't prevent infection or transmission nearly as well as it prevents serious complications.
The virus is hanging around because it's a virus and that's what they do. We can't eradicate the flu virus either and we've had good vaccines for that virus for decades.
Someone (Trad i think) shared a very good article earlier that had some insights into how/why/if/etc viruses mutate. You should check it out.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:47 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:10 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
It's also likely that the reason the delta variant is so prevalent, rather than having multiple strains causing infections, is that the vaccine was so effective against previous strains.
Didn't the Delta variant originate in an area where vaccination % is low?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:50 pm
by PhDhawk
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:47 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:10 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
It's also likely that the reason the delta variant is so prevalent, rather than having multiple strains causing infections, is that the vaccine was so effective against previous strains.
Didn't the Delta variant originate in an area where vaccination % is low?
Yes, India. And in many regions delta wasn't the dominant strain during their big spike.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:53 pm
by Deleted User 887
Looks like I'm being told/advised to get tested.
As if Lollapalooza was the only place someone could/would have contracted the virus in Chicago last weekend.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/bre ... story.html
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:57 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:50 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:47 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:10 pm
It's also likely that the reason the delta variant is so prevalent, rather than having multiple strains causing infections, is that the vaccine was so effective against previous strains.
Didn't the Delta variant originate in an area where vaccination % is low?
Yes, India. And in many regions delta wasn't the dominant strain during their big spike.
This isn't abnormal in the progression of a virus necessarily, right?
Someone shared something yesterday about a Lambda variant that is possibly more deadly than Delta.
How many strains of influenza virus have we had? Do these viruses just endlessly mutate forever until they're almost fully eradicated?
Really adds some perspective about how lucky we were that SARS and MERS weren't more easily transmisable.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:58 pm
by Deleted User 863
Thought they had to have proof of vaccine for it so it was all good to have it?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:06 pm
by Deleted User 887
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:58 pm
Thought they had to have proof of vaccine for it so it was all good to have it?
It was a bad f*cking joke. They claim 90% of people showed proof of vaccination.
A) My guess is there were plenty of fake CDC cards being shown.
B) They spent less time looking at IDs and matching them with the CDC cards as I spent saying the words "good morning" to them as they checked my ID & Card.
C) Unless the guy had bionic eyes, he didn't legitimately check and match my ID and CDC card.
The alternative was to show a negative Covid test result within I think it was 48 or 72 hours of attending.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:30 pm
by zsn
randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:34 pm
You need ID to do anything in this world nowadays. Rent a house, buy cigarettes, get a credit card, etc. Why would voting be any different? Its kind of fucked to assume minorities aren't able to get themselves an ID
So there’s maybe what 20 documented cases of fraudulent voting, that an ID would have prevented? And that’s every four years and randy and the freedumb caucus wants laws in every state. If 630,000 people die from mostly preventable (now) reason and no government involvement.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:24 pm
by PhDhawk
Using two CRISPR enzymes, a COVID diagnostic in only 20 minutes
https://phys.org/news/2021-08-crispr-en ... inutes.amp
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:55 am
by zsn
Very clever use of the specificity of CRISPR enzymes to setup a cascade process, and amplify fluorescence! Hope they can turn it into a diagnostic kit quickly.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:07 am
by twocoach
I have never viewed the vaccine as something that would 100% prevent me getting or giving COVID; just something that would greatly reduce the odds. I don't require it to be 100% effective for it to be the right choice. It's not an all or nothing debate for me.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:09 am
by sdoyel
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:17 am
by twocoach
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
That's not science. The virus was already mutating before the vaccine, and continues to mutate after the vaccine. It can mutate in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. Vaccination doesn't prevent infection or transmission nearly as well as it prevents serious complications.
The virus is hanging around because it's a virus and that's what they do. We can't eradicate the flu virus either and we've had good vaccines for that virus for decades.
Someone (Trad i think) shared a very good article earlier that had some insights into how/why/if/etc viruses mutate. You should check it out.
The typical flu vaccination is about 40-60% effective at reducing your chance to get the flu do to the massive amount of different flu strains there are. So it's really not the same at all.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:21 am
by Deleted User 863
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:17 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
That's not science. The virus was already mutating before the vaccine, and continues to mutate after the vaccine. It can mutate in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. Vaccination doesn't prevent infection or transmission nearly as well as it prevents serious complications.
The virus is hanging around because it's a virus and that's what they do. We can't eradicate the flu virus either and we've had good vaccines for that virus for decades.
Someone (Trad i think) shared a very good article earlier that had some insights into how/why/if/etc viruses mutate. You should check it out.
The typical flu vaccination is about 40-60% effective at reducing your chance to get the flu do to the massive amount of different flu strains there are. So it's really not the same at all.
What isn't the same?
What did I say was the same?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:29 am
by sdoyel
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:58 am
by Deleted User 89
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 pm
And we are here because?
This virus is hanging around and mutating thanks to unvaccinated people.
This doesn't change anything.
That's not science. The virus was already mutating before the vaccine, and continues to mutate after the vaccine. It can mutate in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. Vaccination doesn't prevent infection or transmission nearly as well as it prevents serious complications.
The virus is hanging around because it's a virus and that's what they do. We can't eradicate the flu virus either and we've had good vaccines for that virus for decades.
Someone (Trad i think) shared a very good article earlier that had some insights into how/why/if/etc viruses mutate. You should check it out.
serious, long-term disease is where variants arise...it’s all about viral load.
vaccination greatly reduces that load in the overwhelming majority of cases...aka, the unvaccinated are much more likely to be reservoirs of mutation and variants than are the vaccinated
you keep making these blanket statements, which are misleading at best
quit comparing covid to the flu. they’re both infectious corona viruses, but that’s really where their similarity ends
edit: i misspoke, and was thinking of the common cold (a coronavirus)...obviously the flu is a different virus, influenza