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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:24 pm
by randylahey
We probably should just live our lives at this point. No reason to shut anything down. No reason to hide from covid the rest your life. Everyday 99 percent of the people that get covid are just fine. Same as always. Stop focusing on the negative
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:30 pm
by jfish26
This particular vapid talking point always leaves out the inevitability of mutations.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:32 pm
by Deleted User 89
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:24 pm
We probably should just live our lives at this point. No reason to shut anything down. No reason to hide from covid the rest your life. Everyday 99 percent of the people that get covid are just fine. Same as always. Stop focusing on the negative
you’ve been hiding?
sucks to be you
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:57 pm
by Deleted User 863
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:30 pm
This
particular vapid talking point always leaves out the inevitability of mutations.
That's true. But eradication is unlikely. So the possibility/inevitability of mutations will always exist. We've had how many in the 20 months covid has existed?
Hopefully as the world vaccination % continues to increase and the rest of us begin to get boosters we can reduce the amount of transmission going on around the world where most(all?) of the mutations/variants have been discovered.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:16 pm
by randylahey
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:32 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:24 pm
We probably should just live our lives at this point. No reason to shut anything down. No reason to hide from covid the rest your life. Everyday 99 percent of the people that get covid are just fine. Same as always. Stop focusing on the negative
you’ve been hiding?
sucks to be you
Can't say I've really changed much. Except for having to listen to and disagree with people that think we need to change our whole system, continue to wear masks, or mandate vaccinations
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:18 pm
by Deleted User 89
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:16 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:32 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:24 pm
We probably should just live our lives at this point. No reason to shut anything down. No reason to hide from covid the rest your life. Everyday 99 percent of the people that get covid are just fine. Same as always. Stop focusing on the negative
you’ve been hiding?
sucks to be you
Can't say I've really changed much. Except for having to listen to and disagree with people that think we need to change our whole system, continue to wear masks, or mandate vaccinations
huh...that sure doesn’t seem to be the case based on your posts
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:30 pm
by jfish26
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:57 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:30 pm
This
particular vapid talking point always leaves out the inevitability of mutations.
That's true. But eradication is unlikely. So the possibility/inevitability of mutations will always exist. We've had how many in the 20 months covid has existed?
Hopefully as the world vaccination % continues to increase and the rest of us begin to get boosters we can reduce the amount of transmission going on around the world where most(all?) of the mutations/variants have been discovered.
Doesn't mean we should just stupidly let this thing bounce around when we have the tools to stop it.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
by Deleted User 863
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:30 pm
when we have the tools to stop it.
Do we really? To stop it?
We have the tools to slow it and to reduce likelihood of serious illness and death. But we don't have the tools to stop it.
Much of the rest of the world (India, Africa, etc) have such a small % of their population vaccinated that we are sort of at the mercy of the rest of the world as far as mutations go. That is why WHO is urging us to send out vaccines rather than give our population boosters. Hopefully we do that and also can get enough doses ready for us to get our yearly booster shot too.
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:20 pm
by ousdahl
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:22 pm
by zsn
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
I don’t think that there is a better way to characterize it other than that we’re stupidly letting it bounce around - at least a critical mass of a minority population. Unfortunately they constitute a majority in many locations
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:23 pm
by PhDhawk
Pdub and randy think surgeon's should get to choose if they want to practice aseptic technique or not. No one should FORCE them to be clean when they operate.
Illy will argue with this post regardless.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:26 pm
by Deleted User 89
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:30 pm
when we have the tools to stop it.
Do we really? To stop it?
We have the tools to slow it and to reduce likelihood of serious illness and death. But we don't have the tools to stop it.
Much of the rest of the world (India, Africa, etc) have such a small % of their population vaccinated that we are sort of at the mercy of the rest of the world as far as mutations go. That is why WHO is urging us to send out vaccines rather than give our population boosters. Hopefully we do that and also can get enough doses ready for us to get our yearly booster shot too.
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
we absolutely have the tools, and we’ve had them on some level for quite some time
they aren’t being used, or applied equitably across the globe
many won’t agree that it’s “our” responsibility, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have the ability
we could be providing more actual vaccines, yes, but we could also be helping to improve cold-chain infrastructure, and even vaccine manufacturing itself...both of which would be immensely valuable when (not if) the next global pandemic surfaces
in the US this has become a pandemic of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated, but globally this is a pandemic of the rich vs the poor
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:29 pm
by PhDhawk
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:22 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
I don’t think that there is a better way to characterize it other than that we’re stupidly letting it bounce around - at least a critical mass of a minority population. Unfortunately they constitute a majority in many locations
You just don't get the Illy approach. If something doesn't work 100% of the time, don't do it.
He quit showering when he found out you need to take booster showers every day or so.
He doesn't brush his teeth cause some people still get cavities, so why bother.
He stares at the sun ever since he found out blindness can occur for other reasons even if you try to not look at the sun directly.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:39 pm
by Deleted User 863
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:26 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:30 pm
when we have the tools to stop it.
Do we really? To stop it?
We have the tools to slow it and to reduce likelihood of serious illness and death. But we don't have the tools to stop it.
Much of the rest of the world (India, Africa, etc) have such a small % of their population vaccinated that we are sort of at the mercy of the rest of the world as far as mutations go. That is why WHO is urging us to send out vaccines rather than give our population boosters. Hopefully we do that and also can get enough doses ready for us to get our yearly booster shot too.
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
we absolutely have the tools, and we’ve had them on some level for quite some time
The key word was STOP.
I don't think we have the tools to "stop" it.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:41 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:29 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:22 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 pm
And fwiw, i don't think we are stupidly letting it bounce around. We are wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and socially distancing. Not 100% of us 100% of the time, but the majority of us are.
I don’t think that there is a better way to characterize it other than that we’re stupidly letting it bounce around - at least a critical mass of a minority population. Unfortunately they constitute a majority in many locations
You just don't get the Illy approach. If something doesn't work 100% of the time, don't do it.
You keep doing the strawman.
I didn't say don't try. We are trying. We should keep trying.
But we aren't going to STOP it.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:59 pm
by zsn
Booster showers! Love it!! I’m going to steal this one
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:36 pm
by ChalkRocker
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:29 pm
He quit showering when he found out you need to take booster showers every day or so.
He doesn't brush his teeth cause some people still get cavities, so why bother.
He stares at the sun ever since he found out blindness can occur for other reasons even if you try to not look at the sun directly.
okay. I giggled pretty hard...
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:28 pm
by PhDhawk
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:41 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:29 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:22 pm
I don’t think that there is a better way to characterize it other than that we’re stupidly letting it bounce around - at least a critical mass of a minority population. Unfortunately they constitute a majority in many locations
You just don't get the Illy approach. If something doesn't work 100% of the time, don't do it.
You keep doing the strawman.
I didn't say don't try. We are trying. We should keep trying.
But we aren't going to STOP it.
Polio didn't go away immediately either.
But it did have the advantage that it didn't have to overcome antivaxxers and Illy arguing EVERYTHING.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:37 pm
by Deleted User 863
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:28 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:41 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:29 pm
You just don't get the Illy approach. If something doesn't work 100% of the time, don't do it.
You keep doing the strawman.
I didn't say don't try. We are trying. We should keep trying.
But we aren't going to STOP it.
Polio didn't go away immediately either.
But it did have the advantage that it didn't have to overcome antivaxxers and Illy arguing EVERYTHING.
https://time.com/5831740/polio-coronavirus-parallels/
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:27 pm
by zsn
At this point I’m done having any empathy for the residents of Texas, Florida and other States ruled by the Death Cultists. Just saw on the news that Texas passed a rule that schools are not required to inform parents of Covid infections in their schools.
Who knew that the way we get herd immunity is by thinning! Here’s your Darwin Award. You guys brought this on yourselves. Only request is that you do us all a favor stay within your borders. Call me elitist, call me whatever you want. I’m tired also. If you can’t prevent what is preventable then it is on you.