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ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:53 pm Forgive me for not referring to the victim by name.

What’s different? It was a collateral damage incident? Some sort of negligence, rather than intentional or accidental? The cop can’t claim he mistook the quinceañera dress for a gun?

What’s the same? Unarmed victim/s, disproportionally affecting persons of color, lack of deescalation attempts, lack of nonlethal force, lack of first aid or other care after the fact, lack of accountability for the cop who blasted, lack of any awareness that maybe it’s inappropriate to unload an assault rifle in a busy department store, same lack of compassion by the psych types, same illy trying to paint the BLM protests as riots, same old.

I’m just not sure anything’s changed.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:03 pm Less diverse areas?

Oh come on bro.

I grew up in Olathe. That’s like the Latina capital of the Midwest!

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:27 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:53 pm Forgive me for not referring to the victim by name.

What’s different? It was a collateral damage incident? Some sort of negligence, rather than intentional or accidental? The cop can’t claim he mistook the quinceañera dress for a gun?

What’s the same? Unarmed victim/s, disproportionally affecting persons of color, lack of deescalation attempts, lack of nonlethal force, lack of first aid or other care after the fact, lack of accountability for the cop who blasted, lack of any awareness that maybe it’s inappropriate to unload an assault rifle in a busy department store, same lack of compassion by the psych types, same illy trying to paint the BLM protests as riots, same old.

I’m just not sure anything’s changed.

These comments don't help either.

But, to somewhat stay on topic, yes, the people I know see a major difference between cases like Valentina Orellana-Peralta and cases like George Floyd. Especially considering Chauvin was actually convicted. We'll see what happens to William Jones, but I'll admit that I think nothing of significance happens.

Of course there are similarities to the cases as well and I do agree that we can and should do better in areas like deescelation and nonlethal force so that people like Orellana-Peralta don't end up dead. There is still a log of change and progress that needs to be made, but I do think some things are trending in a better direction.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:52 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:13 pm If Trump wins in 2024 will the left accept the election results?

We already know portions of the right won't accept the results if he doesn't win.

How does this possibly end well?

It would be foolish to answer that question prior to the election. Nothing was off limits in the Trump Presidency and now they have more experience in what will and will not be supported by their voters. It has been made clear that there is nothing off limits to the GOP so nothing would surprise me.

We'll see.

And to your insinuation? I firmly believe we are headed towards an event that will make Jan. 6th look like a PTA meeting. The loonies have not calmed since Trump left office, they have gotten worse. The disinformation campaign against rational, logical thought has been cranked up to 11 because why wouldn't it? It has proven to work. We are headed towards major issues in our country.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:53 am as criminal conspiracy charges look like more and more of a thing

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:30 am This is turning into Russia. Just looking for more as if it's going to do anything.

The guy told people to assemble in DC, told the crowd their very Democracy was under attack, told them to march to the Capitol, and sat around watching it happen while ignoring pleas to call in the national guard and to tell people to stop for around 3 hours (until the crowd proved too incompetent to actually succeed).

It's not a conspiracy, it's out there in the open, and if that isn't enough to charge him with sedition, which it damn well seems like the epitome of, then nothing will be enough.

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:30 am This is turning into Russia. Just looking for more as if it's going to do anything.

The guy told people to assemble in DC, told the crowd their very Democracy was under attack, told them to march to the Capitol, and sat around watching it happen while ignoring pleas to call in the national guard and to tell people to stop for around 3 hours (until the crowd proved too incompetent to actually succeed).

It's not a conspiracy, it's out there in the open, and if that isn't enough to charge him with sedition, which it damn well seems like the epitome of, then nothing will be enough.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:21 am ohh what is it??

...is it redacted?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:25 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:21 am ohh what is it??

...is it redacted?

The investigation here isn't being kneecapped by the executive branch.