Kansas Crimson

i couldn’t care less about height from lead guard spots

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm Downhill drives, welcome back.

And opponent's blocked shots.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm Downhill drives, welcome back.

And opponent's blocked shots.

Braun and Ochai get blocked seemingly a ton. It's not just size that matters there.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm Downhill drives, welcome back.

And opponent's blocked shots.

Braun and Ochai get blocked seemingly a ton. It's not just size that matters there.

1 or both will still be here.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm Downhill drives, welcome back.

And opponent's blocked shots.

Didn't seem to be a problem for Frank or Dotson.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:18 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

And opponent's blocked shots.

Braun and Ochai get blocked seemingly a ton. It's not just size that matters there.

1 or both will still be here.

But I'm saying that the fact the guards are short isn't necessarily indicative that they'll get blocked a lot, or at least not necessarily more than if they were longer.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:25 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm Downhill drives, welcome back.

And opponent's blocked shots.

Didn't seem to be a problem for Frank or Dotson.

Fr/So Frank might hold the record for shots blocked (or shot into the underside of the rim)

If they're as fast as Dotson (no one is) we can revisit.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:25 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:18 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm

Braun and Ochai get blocked seemingly a ton. It's not just size that matters there.

1 or both will still be here.

But I'm saying that the fact the guards are short isn't necessarily indicative that they'll get blocked a lot, or at least not necessarily more than if they were longer.

It contributes.

It’s about reading angles, using body, a deliberate release and good touch, not to mention just being quick enough, more so than just physical height

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:26 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:25 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:14 pm

And opponent's blocked shots.

Didn't seem to be a problem for Frank or Dotson.

Fr/So Frank might hold the record for shots blocked (or shot into the underside of the rim)

If they're as fast as Dotson (no one is) we can revisit.

True.

Still, just don't think it matters much at this level. Or, not nearly as much as the NBA. There's not like 6'8"+ athletic shot blocker after shot blocker out there.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:28 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:26 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:25 pm

Didn't seem to be a problem for Frank or Dotson.

Fr/So Frank might hold the record for shots blocked (or shot into the underside of the rim)

If they're as fast as Dotson (no one is) we can revisit.

True.

Still, just don't think it matters much at this level. Or, not nearly as much as the NBA. There's not like 6'8"+ athletic shot blocker after shot blocker out there.

We got our shots blocked a ton last season.

And there were NO great shot blockers in the conference.

I remember McCormack was near the conference lead for a while and he's not a great shot blocker, I just assumed the rest of the conference got all their blocks against us.

Getting smaller won't help that.

Length is one of the most important factors in predicting success in basketball.

I kinda wonder if part of our shot blocking issues were cuz opponents knew they could clog the lane on us and sag off the perimeter cuz they knew our guards were afraid to shoot?

small guards have ALWAYS had to find creative ways to get their shots off, particularly in the lane

i’m not worried at all

if they’re good, they’re good regardless of height

Set running two different starting fives next season?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:31 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:28 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:26 pm Fr/So Frank might hold the record for shots blocked (or shot into the underside of the rim)

If they're as fast as Dotson (no one is) we can revisit.

True.

Still, just don't think it matters much at this level. Or, not nearly as much as the NBA. There's not like 6'8"+ athletic shot blocker after shot blocker out there.

We got our shots blocked a ton last season.

And there were NO great shot blockers in the conference.

I remember McCormack was near the conference lead for a while and he's not a great shot blocker, I just assumed the rest of the conference got all their blocks against us.

Getting smaller won't help that.

Length is one of the most important factors in predicting success in basketball.

But that again goes back to the point about Braun and Och being below average finishers at the rim despite having really nice size. We've had several smaller players than those two that were way better at the rim.

D'Tae was every bit the better sized player than Frank, and they were night and day as rim finishers while at KU--Frank being way better.

Pro ball, yes. Graham added the floater and rim finishes and Frank is out because of his size. Here, not as big of a deal if you have strength, great balance, and just a knack for finishing at the rim. Or, elite athleticism like Cuffe does.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:31 pm
Getting smaller won't help that.

Length is one of the most important factors in predicting success in basketball.

YT,

Tyon and Tristan

We need creativity from lead guards -- that means hitting from deep, midrange, and whatever works at the rim. Devonte was great at that. Frank DID get his shot blocked a ton, but he was also a very good finisher and great at drawing fouls.

That is far more important than their size, reach, or vertical...especially if that size leads to weird, weak attempts at the rim that we saw from 6'6" dudes all season.

I will take length over being short, if that is the only tradeoff. No brainer.

But, at this level, I will take the better basketball player, and maybe even the quicker guard considering how bad Self's offense is when the guards can't get around their defenders.

I'm far more interested in length at the 4 and 5 than I am at the guard spots.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:48 pm We need creativity from lead guards -- that means hitting from deep, midrange, and whatever works at the rim. Devonte was great at that. Frank DID get his shot blocked a ton, but he was also a very good finisher and great at drawing fouls.

That is far more important than their size, reach, or vertical...especially if that size leads to weird, weak attempts at the rim that we saw from 6'6" dudes all season.

Not being able to shoot off the bounce is an early concern for next season. Graham was obviously amazing at that. Frank too as a Senior. Maybe Yesefu can be that guy and Cuffe is developing that part of his game.

That skill turned short and fat Fred Van Vleet into a 8-figure player.