COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 89]

just 100 companies are responsible for 71% of global emissions since 1988

(per the Climate Accountability Institute)

[Deleted User 89]

In the context of covid, and not necessarily directly related to the capitalism discussion, do other countries have such issues with anti-vaxxers and misinformation?

Again in some bigger context, and pols boredy, aren’t other countries pretty put off by our political system, and the endless campaigning and unlimited dark money and outrage media personalities and shit?

You think Russia and China don't have issues with misinformation? LOL

What other countries specifically are put off by us? Outside of a handful of countries we have a vastly superior country in almost all aspects of life to the rest of the world.

We are so spoiled that some of us think we've got it bad. Take a look at the middle east, south america, russia, china, etc.

how many countries outside the US have you visited?

[Deleted User 863]

And you admit an environmental crisis, and unsustainability.

Again, capitalism does not.

It isn't just capitalist countries contributing to the environmental crisis fwiw. We do just about as much as any country to help fix the environmental crisis and we are capitalist (mostly).

your first statement is such a misleading bs take

true, that nearly every country is contributing to environmental issues

but the magnitude of that contribution skews heavily towards a few capitalist countries

Does it?

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-c ... -emissions

We aren't considering China and Russia capitalist are we?

[Deleted User 89]

russia is...china says it isn’t, despite many features that one could argue are very much capitalist

[ousdahl]

You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

[TDub]

Cubas doing great

[ousdahl]

And you admit an environmental crisis, and unsustainability.

Again, capitalism does not.

It isn't just capitalist countries contributing to the environmental crisis fwiw. We do just about as much as any country to help fix the environmental crisis and we are capitalist (mostly).

Aren’t the less wealthy developing countries often less wealthy and less developed in large part cuz they’re exploited by the wealthier countries too?

Genuinely asking. And that’s a whole different can of worms.

[TDub]

You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

[Deleted User 863]

russia is...china says it isn’t, despite many features that one could argue are very much capitalist

Looks like without China on board and leading the charge it is sort of a moot point. They account for 28% of the worlds emissions according to that graph.

[ousdahl]

Cubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

[Deleted User 863]

In the context of covid, and not necessarily directly related to the capitalism discussion, do other countries have such issues with anti-vaxxers and misinformation?

Again in some bigger context, and pols boredy, aren’t other countries pretty put off by our political system, and the endless campaigning and unlimited dark money and outrage media personalities and shit?

You think Russia and China don't have issues with misinformation? LOL

What other countries specifically are put off by us? Outside of a handful of countries we have a vastly superior country in almost all aspects of life to the rest of the world.

We are so spoiled that some of us think we've got it bad. Take a look at the middle east, south america, russia, china, etc.

how many countries outside the US have you visited?

Why do so many people want to migrate here then? From all over the globe. Why don't they go to all those other countries they think are better?

[ousdahl]

You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

[Deleted User 89]

russia is...china says it isn’t, despite many features that one could argue are very much capitalist

Looks like without China on board and leading the charge it is sort of a moot point. They account for 28% of the worlds emissions according to that graph.

why is china not “on board”? just because they say so?

[TDub]

Cubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cu ... 0in%20Cuba.

So good bro, theyre doing so good. Everyobe loves their government and its all peaches and cream.

[Deleted User 863]

Cubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

You don't even seen to know what you're arguing.

If you get in a car accident and are rushed to the hospital in the united states you are treated whether you have health insurance or not. That is healthcare.

Healthcare should be a "right" for everyone.

Health insurance shouldn't be a "right" for everyone.

[TDub]

You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

Yes. It cant be that your socialist utopia dreamt up with a unemployed wookie while rolling through a DMT thunderstorm is flawed in practice.

[Deleted User 863]

You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

So who buys all the means of production that already exist?

Confiscate them?

And when you come up with a good idea for a business how does that get approved and paid for? By our ever so efficient government?

[Deleted User 89]

https://hbr.org/2021/05/americans-dont- ... t-china-is

...What is it that Americans don’t understand about China?

They don’t know how capitalist China is. China’s rapid economic growth is the result of its embrace of a market economy and private enterprise. China is among the most open markets in the world: It is the largest trading nation and also the largest recipient of foreign direct investment, surpassing the United States in 2020...

[TDub]

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

So who buys all the means of production that already exist?

Confiscate them?

And when you come up with a good idea for a business how does that get approved and paid for? By our ever so efficient government?

The community bro....we alllll own it brosef. Groooovy....you cant like...own an idea its the universes idea anyway bruh...we're like...all just stardust anywayyyy

[ousdahl]

Cubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

You don't even seen to know what you're arguing.

If you get in a car accident and are rushed to the hospital in the united states you are treated whether you have health insurance or not. That is healthcare.

Healthcare should be a "right" for everyone.

Health insurance shouldn't be a "right" for everyone.

You left out the part about how that rush to the hospital is likely to force you into bankruptcy