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BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:40 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:34 pm In the context of covid, and not necessarily directly related to the capitalism discussion, do other countries have such issues with anti-vaxxers and misinformation?

Again in some bigger context, and pols boredy, aren’t other countries pretty put off by our political system, and the endless campaigning and unlimited dark money and outrage media personalities and shit?

You think Russia and China don't have issues with misinformation? LOL

What other countries specifically are put off by us? Outside of a handful of countries we have a vastly superior country in almost all aspects of life to the rest of the world.

We are so spoiled that some of us think we've got it bad. Take a look at the middle east, south america, russia, china, etc.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:37 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:25 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:23 pm And you admit an environmental crisis, and unsustainability.

Again, capitalism does not.

It isn't just capitalist countries contributing to the environmental crisis fwiw. We do just about as much as any country to help fix the environmental crisis and we are capitalist (mostly).

your first statement is such a misleading bs take

true, that nearly every country is contributing to environmental issues

but the magnitude of that contribution skews heavily towards a few capitalist countries

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:25 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:23 pm And you admit an environmental crisis, and unsustainability.

Again, capitalism does not.

It isn't just capitalist countries contributing to the environmental crisis fwiw. We do just about as much as any country to help fix the environmental crisis and we are capitalist (mostly).

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm russia is...china says it isn’t, despite many features that one could argue are very much capitalist

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 pmCubas doing great

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:42 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:40 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:34 pm In the context of covid, and not necessarily directly related to the capitalism discussion, do other countries have such issues with anti-vaxxers and misinformation?

Again in some bigger context, and pols boredy, aren’t other countries pretty put off by our political system, and the endless campaigning and unlimited dark money and outrage media personalities and shit?

You think Russia and China don't have issues with misinformation? LOL

What other countries specifically are put off by us? Outside of a handful of countries we have a vastly superior country in almost all aspects of life to the rest of the world.

We are so spoiled that some of us think we've got it bad. Take a look at the middle east, south america, russia, china, etc.

how many countries outside the US have you visited?

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm russia is...china says it isn’t, despite many features that one could argue are very much capitalist

Looks like without China on board and leading the charge it is sort of a moot point. They account for 28% of the worlds emissions according to that graph.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 pmCubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 pmCubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:51 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:51 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 pm You realize that every country ever thinks they’re the greatest country in the world, right?

And yeah I’m sure Russia and China have misinformation issues of their own, but isn’t that more a state propaganda thing and less a proudly ignorant freedom lovers getting their world view from Facebook memes?

So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:55 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:51 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm


So....what happens in your socialist utopia again?

I think you’re confusing a socialist economic model with an authoritarian government model.

Or sumptin.

So who buys all the means of production that already exist?

Confiscate them?

And when you come up with a good idea for a business how does that get approved and paid for? By our ever so efficient government?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:52 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 pmCubas doing great

Actually, isn’t Cuba beating us in at least some metrics?

Life expectancy and stuff like that. Cuz they consider healthcare to be a basic human right, rather than a luxury for those who can afford it.

But don’t let that mess with the world view that socialized medicine is bayad.

You don't even seen to know what you're arguing.

If you get in a car accident and are rushed to the hospital in the united states you are treated whether you have health insurance or not. That is healthcare.

Healthcare should be a "right" for everyone.

Health insurance shouldn't be a "right" for everyone.