Dumbfuck in charge

[Deleted User 310]

[Sparko]

You aren't voting for trump regardless. Neither am I.

The people hell bent on voting for him dont care whether it is him or Pence. They prefer both/either over Biden/Harris....conversely the people hell bent on voting against him don't care whether it is Biden or Harris.

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

LOBs, something went wrong with your mind when you started blaming other people for your problems.

[sdoyel]

“Fauci? Never heard of him.”

-Trump

[Cascadia]

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

LOBs, something went wrong with your mind when you started blaming other people for your problems.

It's called meth

[Walrus]

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

LOBs, something went wrong with your mind when you started blaming other people for your problems.

Where did I say I have problems?

[jfish26]

It is hilarious that CNN keeps acting like "we need to know" his lung scans so we can decide who to vote for. LOL. Nobody voting for or against trump gives a shit.

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

I think there ARE people switching from Trump to Biden, though, over Trump’s handling of the coronavirus.

And how he handles his own case, and what he says about it, is quite relevant.

[twocoach]

It is hilarious that CNN keeps acting like "we need to know" his lung scans so we can decide who to vote for. LOL. Nobody voting for or against trump gives a shit.

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

It's just another example of Trump obviously lying and controlling the narrative on to try to win the election.

Like I said, I think him ordering Congressional Republicans to stop working on the stimulus plan so they can push through the SCOTUS pick is the death of his reelection efforts.

[Deleted User 310]

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

It's just another example of Trump obviously lying and controlling the narrative on to try to win the election.

Like I said, I think him ordering Congressional Republicans to stop working on the stimulus plan so they can push through the SCOTUS pick is the death of his reelection efforts.

Well the stimulus talks have been stalled/unproductive for months because neither side acts in good faith....so i sort of get just ending the talks at this point.

Tbh i am not sure we can afford to do another stimulus package. The long term damage it may cause could outweigh any short term benefits.

[Deleted User 89]

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[Deleted User 310]

Why are we bailing out airlines?

They should have been responsible and built cash reserves over the last 50 years when they were making billions. They didn't. Let them fail. Let new airline companies form. They will buy the fleets and hire back the trained workers. Bailing them out rewards bad business behavior. Not to mention a portion (maybe a large portion) will go to paying executive salaries or upper class individuals salaries and not the low level workers who are the ones worth protecting since they aren't as financially capable of building cash reserves to survive a furlough. Let them collect unemployment.

Let the airlines fail.

I understand the desire to help small businesses....but at the same time, how many of these small businesses were already losing money prior to the pandemic? Some of these small businesses were on the road to failure anyway. There is risk with being a small business owner. Now, for the businesses that were viable, but forced to close for safety reasons, i totally agree with helping them out....but "small businesses" in general is such a wide ranging term. There are wealthy people who own numerous small businesses who are financially doing just fine during all this (personally), but may have a small business or 2 that wasn't/isn't doing well now that the economic landscape has changed. People won't travel as much anymore, they won't eat out as much anymore...some of these businesses are going to fail regardless. You can't cripple the economy for generations by artificially letting them survive when they will still eventually fail.

End rant.

[sdoyel]

Trump saw the stock market plunge, so now he’s back-tracking.

[twocoach]

Why are we bailing out airlines?

They should have been responsible and built cash reserves over the last 50 years when they were making billions. They didn't. Let them fail. Let new airline companies form. They will buy the fleets and hire back the trained workers. Bailing them out rewards bad business behavior. Not to mention a portion (maybe a large portion) will go to paying executive salaries or upper class individuals salaries and not the low level workers who are the ones worth protecting since they aren't as financially capable of building cash reserves to survive a furlough. Let them collect unemployment.

Let the airlines fail.

I understand the desire to help small businesses....but at the same time, how many of these small businesses were already losing money prior to the pandemic? Some of these small businesses were on the road to failure anyway. There is risk with being a small business owner. Now, for the businesses that were viable, but forced to close for safety reasons, i totally agree with helping them out....but "small businesses" in general is such a wide ranging term. There are wealthy people who own numerous small businesses who are financially doing just fine during all this (personally), but may have a small business or 2 that wasn't/isn't doing well now that the economic landscape has changed. People won't travel as much anymore, they won't eat out as much anymore...some of these businesses are going to fail regardless. You can't cripple the economy for generations by artificially letting them survive when they will still eventually fail.

End rant.

Gross

[Deleted User 310]

Great response. Thanks!

[Deleted User 310]

So owning a small business means that the governement should make sure you don't fail? Even if your business failure has nothing to do with the pandemic? Got it.

Free money for everyone! Yay!

[jfish26]

Why are we bailing out airlines?

They should have been responsible and built cash reserves over the last 50 years when they were making billions. They didn't. Let them fail. Let new airline companies form. They will buy the fleets and hire back the trained workers. Bailing them out rewards bad business behavior. Not to mention a portion (maybe a large portion) will go to paying executive salaries or upper class individuals salaries and not the low level workers who are the ones worth protecting since they aren't as financially capable of building cash reserves to survive a furlough. Let them collect unemployment.

Let the airlines fail.

I understand the desire to help small businesses....but at the same time, how many of these small businesses were already losing money prior to the pandemic? Some of these small businesses were on the road to failure anyway. There is risk with being a small business owner. Now, for the businesses that were viable, but forced to close for safety reasons, i totally agree with helping them out....but "small businesses" in general is such a wide ranging term. There are wealthy people who own numerous small businesses who are financially doing just fine during all this (personally), but may have a small business or 2 that wasn't/isn't doing well now that the economic landscape has changed. People won't travel as much anymore, they won't eat out as much anymore...some of these businesses are going to fail regardless. You can't cripple the economy for generations by artificially letting them survive when they will still eventually fail.

End rant.

"Bailing them out" can mean so many things. Do I support just giving the companies cash and hoping everything works out? I do not.

But the airline industry - if expanded to mean the aerospace industry generally - employs hundreds of thousands of Americans, the vast majority being lower- and middle-class. I think the harm that would come from letting the industry simply evaporate for a while is too severe to simply do nothing.

[Deleted User 318]

Dumb convo. Interest rates are low. Give favorable convertible debt at favorable rates that allow the government to restructure/consolidate the companies if companies can't repay. Keep the jobs. Keep the flights. Air travel isn't going anywhere once a vaccine is mainstream. They need a lifeline for the next 6 months.

[twocoach]

Great response. Thanks!

Why bail them out? Because they employ 750,000 Americans and impact the employment of nearly 10 million other Americans.

"Let them fail" is dangerously ignorant because the ripple effect on our nation would be devastating.

[Deleted User 310]

Great response. Thanks!

Why bail them out? Because they employ 750,000 Americans and impact the employment of nearly 10 million other Americans.

"Let them fail" is dangerously ignorant because the ripple effect on our nation would be devastating.

Bailing them out has a ripple effect to.

Who do you think is bailing them out? It is those same middle class workers you are trying to protect.

[twocoach]

So owning a small business means that the governement should make sure you don't fail? Even if your business failure has nothing to do with the pandemic? Got it.

Free money for everyone! Yay!

If you keep acting like a child, don't be mad when people treat you like a child.

If you can't be bothered to do some research as to why such actions need to be taken then sit out the conversation.

[Deleted User 310]

Dumb convo. Interest rates are low. Give favorable convertible debt at favorable rates that allow the government to restructure/consolidate the companies if companies can't repay. Keep the jobs. Keep the flights. Air travel isn't going anywhere once a vaccine is mainstream. They need a lifeline for the next 6 months.

The issue is that they should have had their own lifeline. Instead they underpay the low middle class workers and pay hundreds of millions in salaries and bonuses to their upper class employees.

Lets take care of their low and middle class employees. Absolutely.

But huge corporate bailouts don't work and the people who end up footing that bill are the same people we want to protect.