Kansas Crimson

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:29 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:19 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:31 pm

You aren't voting for trump regardless. Neither am I.

The people hell bent on voting for him dont care whether it is him or Pence. They prefer both/either over Biden/Harris....conversely the people hell bent on voting against him don't care whether it is Biden or Harris.

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:30 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:42 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:29 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:19 pm

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

LOBs, something went wrong with your mind when you started blaming other people for your problems.

Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:42 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:29 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:19 pm

I hear you but......
One of the reasons I would be extremely hesitant to vote for Biden if he was running against basically anyone other than Trump is because I have serious and legitimate concerns about the guy who has had brain aneurysms (and surgery), clearly has aged A LOT over the last 4 years (while basically being retired - not the President of the United States), like Trump - doesn't seem 100% right in the head, and will be 78 years old on Inauguration Day.

Biden doesn't even really matter, this election is about Harris, someone much worse.

LOBs, something went wrong with your mind when you started blaming other people for your problems.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:35 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:16 pm It is hilarious that CNN keeps acting like "we need to know" his lung scans so we can decide who to vote for. LOL. Nobody voting for or against trump gives a shit.

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:35 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:16 pm It is hilarious that CNN keeps acting like "we need to know" his lung scans so we can decide who to vote for. LOL. Nobody voting for or against trump gives a shit.

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:52 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:35 pm

Yeah, you're wrong on this.

Generally, his scans are relevant for the same reason as any candidate's health condition is relevant: is the person likely to be able to discharge his duties during the relevant period?

They're also quite relevant for a reason specific to Trump and this election: he wants to convince people he's beat Covid. Because he's running on a platform that Covid isn't all that dangerous. Lying about his personal experience with Covid is, then, relevant.

It is only relevant for his opposition imo...so they can say how unhealthy he is and that he didn't beat covid (whatever that really means).

Healthy or not "we" (reasonable non-trump supporters) already know he sucks at being president.

Nobody is switching their vote from trump to biden or biden to trump based on health. Come on man!

It's just another example of Trump obviously lying and controlling the narrative on to try to win the election.

Like I said, I think him ordering Congressional Republicans to stop working on the stimulus plan so they can push through the SCOTUS pick is the death of his reelection efforts.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:48 am Why are we bailing out airlines?

They should have been responsible and built cash reserves over the last 50 years when they were making billions. They didn't. Let them fail. Let new airline companies form. They will buy the fleets and hire back the trained workers. Bailing them out rewards bad business behavior. Not to mention a portion (maybe a large portion) will go to paying executive salaries or upper class individuals salaries and not the low level workers who are the ones worth protecting since they aren't as financially capable of building cash reserves to survive a furlough. Let them collect unemployment.

Let the airlines fail.

I understand the desire to help small businesses....but at the same time, how many of these small businesses were already losing money prior to the pandemic? Some of these small businesses were on the road to failure anyway. There is risk with being a small business owner. Now, for the businesses that were viable, but forced to close for safety reasons, i totally agree with helping them out....but "small businesses" in general is such a wide ranging term. There are wealthy people who own numerous small businesses who are financially doing just fine during all this (personally), but may have a small business or 2 that wasn't/isn't doing well now that the economic landscape has changed. People won't travel as much anymore, they won't eat out as much anymore...some of these businesses are going to fail regardless. You can't cripple the economy for generations by artificially letting them survive when they will still eventually fail.

End rant.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:48 am Why are we bailing out airlines?

They should have been responsible and built cash reserves over the last 50 years when they were making billions. They didn't. Let them fail. Let new airline companies form. They will buy the fleets and hire back the trained workers. Bailing them out rewards bad business behavior. Not to mention a portion (maybe a large portion) will go to paying executive salaries or upper class individuals salaries and not the low level workers who are the ones worth protecting since they aren't as financially capable of building cash reserves to survive a furlough. Let them collect unemployment.

Let the airlines fail.

I understand the desire to help small businesses....but at the same time, how many of these small businesses were already losing money prior to the pandemic? Some of these small businesses were on the road to failure anyway. There is risk with being a small business owner. Now, for the businesses that were viable, but forced to close for safety reasons, i totally agree with helping them out....but "small businesses" in general is such a wide ranging term. There are wealthy people who own numerous small businesses who are financially doing just fine during all this (personally), but may have a small business or 2 that wasn't/isn't doing well now that the economic landscape has changed. People won't travel as much anymore, they won't eat out as much anymore...some of these businesses are going to fail regardless. You can't cripple the economy for generations by artificially letting them survive when they will still eventually fail.

End rant.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am Great response. Thanks!

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:24 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am Great response. Thanks!

Why bail them out? Because they employ 750,000 Americans and impact the employment of nearly 10 million other Americans.

"Let them fail" is dangerously ignorant because the ripple effect on our nation would be devastating.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:11 am So owning a small business means that the governement should make sure you don't fail? Even if your business failure has nothing to do with the pandemic? Got it.

Free money for everyone! Yay!

NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:19 am Dumb convo. Interest rates are low. Give favorable convertible debt at favorable rates that allow the government to restructure/consolidate the companies if companies can't repay. Keep the jobs. Keep the flights. Air travel isn't going anywhere once a vaccine is mainstream. They need a lifeline for the next 6 months.