Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:36 am
I must have missed the post where someone said 'she deserved it'.
If you find that, i'll admit my statement was wrong.
I have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.vega wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 amYou mean that the earth isn't only 6,000 years old?CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:24 am I do have one suggestion: the way and things the US teaches history, literature, etc. in public schools is outrageously biased.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... eationism/
Oh boy.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 am I have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.
a lot of truth hereCrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 amI have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.vega wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 amYou mean that the earth isn't only 6,000 years old?CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:24 am I do have one suggestion: the way and things the US teaches history, literature, etc. in public schools is outrageously biased.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... eationism/
Probably both true to some extent. Our public education system (while some of the best in the world) is a joke in many ways. If I could change one thing in particular it would be how we teach history and our place in the world. Really need to stop the "America is the Best!" storyline. We live in a great country, but their are a lot of other great countries and cultures out there. We don't need to think of ourselves as being #1.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 am I have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.
It obviously shapes people's views on history, but also shapes what they value. Museums are filled with priceless items that are influenced by and largely exist because of and on the back of colonialism.TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:55 ama lot of truth hereCrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 amI have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.vega wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 am
You mean that the earth isn't only 6,000 years old?
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... eationism/
i’ve ranted about this before, but when there isn’t a national (federal or independent) body that is closing the curricula, you’ve got states (and their legislatures) chooses what gets taught
anecdotally, i thought it shameful that a black man growing up in tulsa didn’t even learn about the tulsa riots until he left oklahoma for college
as it stands now, the system is ripe for abuse and whitewashing of history
Thinking of things forever ingrained in my memory from school:Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:02 amProbably both true to some extent. Our public education system (while some of the best in the world) is a joke in many ways. If I could change one thing in particular it would be how we teach history and our place in the world. Really need to stop the "America is the Best!" storyline. We live in a great country, but their are a lot of other great countries and cultures out there. We don't need to think of ourselves as being #1.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 am I have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.
You can't just sit here and make up some random story and then be pissed that people don't feel sad about your made up story. You have no idea if she was scared for her life. The argument was over cleaning up the house:ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:18 am Some of you guys seem awful determined to completely dehumanize this chick. She was a fucking foster child! She was scared for her life, so much so she called the cops cuz she thought they were there to protect her, and yet you can only seem to see her as some kinda lawless gang banging monster. (Any word on whether she had weed in her system too??)
Let’s instead have a moment of humanity: her name was Ma'Khia Bryant. She was a 16yo in foster care who was so scared for her life that she called the cops. She was obviously panicked, and perhaps she thought the knife was her best chance at survival. Who knows? It’s not like we can ask her now.
I don’t want to condone that she screwed up. But let’s also not condone that she was afforded zero anything either.
Think back when you were 16. Did you do anything stupid? Maybe even threatening? And yet, you didn’t get mowed down in your own front yard because of it.
I also struggle to paint the one guy who DID kill anyone as some kinda life saver, but I understand the decision he made in that instant, and why it’s within the law. But to that community, who just lost another of their own, do you think they feel like justifying it on the cop’s behalf?
Perhaps the biggest tragedy of all is just how dividing this is. One side thinks the other is a bunch of monsters. And they’re not wrong! But it’s all just so dehumanizing.
Beyond the "tainted," is just giving credit where credit is due. On one hand the US wants to celebrate and tout to its students and everyone else that it is the best and biggest melting pot in the world (and it's true!). But, on the other, only a select few are responsible and celebrated for its success?TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:12 am i have no problem with teaching the idea that the US is one of the most successful and exceptional countries in the history of mankind
but, that doesn’t mean we are beyond reproach (nobody is). and it’s only by learning about the tainted parts of our history that we can even begin to reconcile with it and strive to be better
I have not heard this a single time.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:09 amThinking of things forever ingrained in my memory from school:Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:02 amProbably both true to some extent. Our public education system (while some of the best in the world) is a joke in many ways. If I could change one thing in particular it would be how we teach history and our place in the world. Really need to stop the "America is the Best!" storyline. We live in a great country, but their are a lot of other great countries and cultures out there. We don't need to think of ourselves as being #1.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 am I have to wonder if it's not that universities are these liberal safe havens but that it's the public K-12 school curriculum that is nationalist, far-right, and Christian.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"In August 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. October 12th they sighted land, And set their feet upon new sand."
If some Americans heard about equivalent things forced in Chinese schools, particularly where they are "assimilating" Uighurs, they'd go nuts.
There's a big gap between "justified" and "deserved". I don't think anyone "deserves" to die, even kiddie abusers and rapists. But the police have a job to do, which is to serve and protect. I would consider it negligence of an officer to not take action to stop Bryant based on the information that this officer apparently had and witnessed. I think the officer's actions were justified but again, I don't think anyone "deserves" to die.Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:55 amExactly, and I think that's ultimately what ousdahl is trying to discuss. But, every time we have a new incident, we have to first determine if the cop was "justified". Because if there is a slimmer of justification then the dead person deserved it.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:51 amYep. This is the biggest real issue. More or less the same laws everywhere, but (some) cops see a certain amount of people as part of them, and then everyone else as something else. Even something less. Clear back in the 80's, but look up what the Judge said about the white guys that killed Vincent Chin.Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:46 am Public Service Announcement:
Turns out our information this morning continues to be a little incorrect. Regarding the white kid with the knife that we took to Burger King. Well, apparently he didn't have a knife, he actually killed 9 people. Odd because he seems like a good kid, think he just had a bad day.
Also, still a couple unclaimed Caramel Frappe's in the break room.
It is just statistically true that police stops with white people and minorities turn out different. People are fed up.