Kansas Crimson

Ok.

At the end of the day, it’s up to Dems to figure out how to not keep getting their butts kicked on Election Day.

they got time. lots of time. nothing but time.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:27 pm Ok.

At the end of the day, it’s up to Dems to figure out how to not keep getting their butts kicked on Election Day.

It is.

But if you want to keep talking about why they lost in 2024, I will continue to think it's silly to say the answer involves Biden not pushing for progressive-enough policies.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:53 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:27 pm Ok.

At the end of the day, it’s up to Dems to figure out how to not keep getting their butts kicked on Election Day.

It is.

But if you want to keep talking about why they lost in 2024, I will continue to think it's silly to say the answer involves Biden not pushing for progressive-enough policies.

This.

Biden did well in the progressive areas (counties/states).

He did?

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:32 amHe did?

Which progressive state did he lose?

He won because of the swing states. Not because he lost deep blue states.

Which progressive state did he win?

I thought he dropped out.

But I get what you mean - dems and Kamala. She won the "deep blue states," sure.

And yea, Trump won because of swing states, sure.

But swing states can be expected to...well, swing. I think the more telling shift may be, demographic trends.

Of-color, younger, and working-class voters all shifted from dem to pub. It's fucking wild! Those used to be "deep blue" demographics.

And, I eagerly await the dem strategy going forward to counter the demographic shifts away from dems, and generally, to try and actually win another election.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:44 am Which progressive state did he win?

I thought he dropped out.

But I get what you mean - dems and Kamala. She won the "deep blue states," sure.

My bad. Yes, that's what I meant.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:47 am

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:44 am Which progressive state did he win?

I thought he dropped out.

But I get what you mean - dems and Kamala. She won the "deep blue states," sure.

My bad. Yes, that's what I meant.

The stupidity continues, however. I just saw a Newsweek poll that says that Dim voters are overwhelmingly saying she should run again in 2028. You know, cuz landslide losses are usually anomalies.

(You can keep using the word "landslide" but that does not make it so.)

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:52 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:47 am

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:44 am Which progressive state did he win?

I thought he dropped out.

But I get what you mean - dems and Kamala. She won the "deep blue states," sure.

My bad. Yes, that's what I meant.

The stupidity continues, however. I just saw a Newsweek poll that says that Dim voters are overwhelmingly saying she should run again in 2028. You know, cuz landslide losses are usually anomalies.

This was one of the ten closest Presidential elections in history vote-wise and was nothing even remotely close to a landslide but cool story.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:44 am Which progressive state did he win?

I thought he dropped out.

But I get what you mean - dems and Kamala. She won the "deep blue states," sure.

And yea, Trump won because of swing states, sure.

But swing states can be expected to...well, swing. I think the more telling shift may be, demographic trends.

Of-color, younger, and working-class voters all shifted from dem to pub. It's fucking wild! Those used to be "deep blue" demographics.

And, I eagerly await the dem strategy going forward to counter the demographic shifts away from dems, and generally, to try and actually win another election.

Young people are as easy to dupe with Misinformation as old people and dumb people. They are also the most likely to give up if they encounter issues created by all the additional voting requirements designed by Republicans to depress voter turnout.

"Plan ahead" to your average college student is "check on Monday that you can vote on Tuesday". My nephew is a perfect example. His parents recently divorced and his drivers license has the address of his new house he lives in with his Mom while his voter registration is under his old house with his Dad. It was an insanely complicated, time intensive thing to go through to get all of it synched up and he did not start it in time to be able to vote so he gave up.

Yet another example of needing to show ID resulting in keeping someone from voting. Now we see why the GOP wants it.

of course!

But as cynical as I am, I also wonder if it's too cynical to think elections can only be won with misinformation.

But I'm also a dreamer enough to wonder if an election could still be won the old-fashioned way: with the right combo of a likable candidate with an appealing platform. Stay tuned!

I also think the two parties are pretty much the same thing at the end of the day. And, while we're not likely to see a candidate/platform/party in this country that actually represents the interests of labor, unless or until we do I think the presidential elections here on out may be won on "anti-esbablishment" sort of populist messaging anyway.

One other thought on the young people demographic: I think it would be tough to be entering adulthood with Bidenflation to deal with right outta the gate.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:42 am of course!

But as cynical as I am, I also wonder if it's too cynical to think elections can only be won with misinformation.

But I'm also a dreamer enough to wonder if an election could still be won the old-fashioned way: with the right combo of a likable candidate with an appealing platform. Stay tuned!

I also think the two parties are pretty much the same thing at the end of the day. And, while we're not likely to see a candidate/platform/party in this country that actually represents the interests of labor, unless or until we do I think the presidential elections here on out may be won on "anti-esbablishment" sort of populist messaging anyway.

One other thought on the young people demographic: I think it would be tough to be entering adulthood with Bidenflation to deal with right outta the gate.

It has been hard for young people to become adults in every generation. Whatever generation "today" is just always thinks they have it the hardest despite the fact that they have more handed to them, more technology to support them and more opportunity available to them than any previous generation. Same old, same old.

And no, the two parties aren't "pretty much the same thing".

young people don't vote. so stop acting like they do. stop acting like the man is holding them down.




if the young people can figure how to get taylor swift concert tickets. they can figure out voting. my god. my 94 year old mother did it without issue.

Almost 50 million young people, defined here as ages 18 to 29, were eligible to vote in the 2024 election; according to the exit poll data, about 42% of them did. That percentage was on par with CIRCLE’s initial turnout estimate for 2016 (42%-44%) but lower than the historic turnout seen in 2020, which CIRCLE estimated at 52%-55%. In the key battleground states of Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, the average turnout was much higher: 50% on aggregate.

It's the nonsense misinformation that we see Ousdahl repeat over and over (and over and over) here that pushed that voter turnout number down as low as it was.

If today's youth want to bitch about how hard life is for them then they should participate in the things necessary to make their lives easier by voting. If you don't vote then STFU and deal with the consequences.

it's now ouoshdales fault young people don't vote.

for the young people i could offer to:

pick them up
drive them to the polling station
walk them into the polling station
take them to lunch after they vote
deliver them back home after lunch


and they would still not vote. why do we have to do this after every demonrat defeat.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:59 am it's now ouoshdales fault young people don't vote.

for the young people i could offer to:

pick them up
drive them to the polling station
walk them into the polling station
take them to lunch after they vote
deliver them back home after lunch


and they would still not vote. why do we have to do this after every demonrat defeat.

Why does the losing side have to look at who did and didn't vote and try to figure out ways to change it? That seems to be exactly what needs to happen whenever an election is lost.

I'd rather that then do what the GOP did which was to look at ways to better game the system to fool people or prevent them from voting.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:46 am
Whatever generation "today" is just always thinks they have it the hardest despite the fact that they have more handed to them, more technology to support them and more opportunity available to them than any previous generation. Same old, same old.

with messaging like this, gee I wonder why the younger demographic isn't more enthusiastic.

And no, the two parties aren't "pretty much the same thing".

well yea, one is red and one is blue!

But other than that, boy do both party's lawmakers otherwise both vote very frequently in favor of the same moneyed interests supporting them anyway.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:55 am
It's the nonsense misinformation that we see Ousdahl repeat over and over (and over and over) here that pushed that voter turnout number down as low as it was.

I'm very intrigued by this.