2024/2025 Lineup

[DeletedUser]

I sure liked watching players we recruited spend 4 years at Kansas to see how much they grew as both players and people

I am hoping maybe Elmarko is the next in line for that.

The DHs and Kjs are a dying breed.

[pdub]

I sure liked watching players we recruited spend 4 years at Kansas to see how much they grew as both players and people.

Ah well, at least we'll get a year or two out of this guy from Alabama.

Recruits have always flaked on their commitments when better recruits were brought in. This isn't new.

Come on dude.
I've been a KU fan since I could remember.
I started a message bored.

Don't do that - this is obviously different.

[randylahey]

We did have 2 freshman flake last year too

It's certainly becoming common and definitely a product of the portal era

Freshman recruits are going to become more rare. Freshman that come in and stay 4 years? Even rarer

KJ and dajuan might have their weaknesses, but we probably need to appreciate them, because the career jayhawk is going to become rarer and rarer

[DeletedUser]

I sure liked watching players we recruited spend 4 years at Kansas to see how much they grew as both players and people.

Ah well, at least we'll get a year or two out of this guy from Alabama.

Recruits have always flaked on their commitments when better recruits were brought in. This isn't new.

Come on dude.
I've been a KU fan since I could remember.
I started a message bored.

Don't do that - this is obviously different.

I only remember a few instances like the Chris Johnson and Labaron Philon situation where they commit and never arrive on campus.

[jfish26]

Recruits have always flaked on their commitments when better recruits were brought in. This isn't new.

Come on dude.
I've been a KU fan since I could remember.
I started a message bored.

Don't do that - this is obviously different.

I only remember a few instances like the Chris Johnson and Labaron Philon situation where they commit and never arrive on campus.

It has certainly been far more common that guys arrive and then decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[MICHHAWK]

which is code for "i've been served everything on a silver platter. now these dudes want to make me work for it. phucque that. i'm outta here!"

[jfish26]

which is code for "i've been served everything on a silver platter. now these dudes want to make me work for it. phucque that. i'm outta here!"

I mean, broadly, that's not wrong. And the track record of guys that have made that decision, versus the guys who didn't, would certainly suggest that you better be sure.

[pdub]

It's code for, we liked you a lot earlier this season but now our budget has expanded more than we expected and there are a lot of free agents we have the money for, and we aren't so sure we want to invest the time in you when we have a guy who is already developed and ready to play and all we have to do is hook him up with this 800k we have in our ( oops not our - it's totally separate from us NCAA don't worry ) collective, so we don't like you as much anymore and it might be best for you to look elsewhere because we only have so many "schollies" ( lolz ) to give out.

It's a long code.

[MICHHAWK]

the children are little tw@t$. the adults are just getting by in this new world the best they can.

the man has to adapt. if he wants to sirvive.

[jfish26]

It's code for, we liked you a lot earlier this season but now our budget has expanded more than we expected and there are a lot of free agents we have the money for, and we aren't so sure we want to invest the time in you when we have a guy who is already developed and ready to play and all we have to do is hook him up with this 800k we have in our ( oops not our - it's totally separate from us NCAA don't worry ) collective, so we don't like you as much anymore and it might be best for you to look elsewhere because we only have so many "schollies" ( lolz ) to give out.

It's a long code.

That is a long code.

I think Bill knows that, whatever he's doing with guards in the 25-50 range, it's not fucking working. And so maybe there's just not a desire to have to accommodate this guy's development, AND Jackson's development, AND the need to have guys who can contribute to winning now.

[pdub]

I get why Self is doing it. It's part of the game now.

[ousdahl]

I too can appreciate the “like watching guys develop” argument

but at the same time, we’re often only missing out on like 4mpg of mop-up minutes.

[twocoach]

Like I said, I'd bet this means that Griffen from Bama is more than likely headed to KU. Rumors are out there that he will commit on Friday but those are just rumors at this point. I hope they are true as he seems like a competent player ready to contribute immediately.

The only weird thing is Griffen and him aren't directly competing for minutes. Philon was battling Zeke and Elmarko for minutes as the backup 1. Unlikely he'd play off ball with DH because he isn't a shooter and he's small.

I do think Griffen is coming to KU. I do not understand why it'd impact Philon other than we may have decided we'd rather use his scholarship elsewhere. His comments online sure seem like he feels forced out.

We have long since talked about the "positionless" component of Self's system (and most systems in hoops any more). Anyone who isn't a big is a competitor for minutes these days. KU doesn't have a single file line to just PG minutes. Any minutes that Philon might have gotten beside Harris or Jackson would be gone to Griffen or one of the other half dozen guards/wings.

[twocoach]

I too can appreciate the “like watching guys develop” argument

but at the same time, we’re often only missing out on like 4mpg of mop-up minutes.

But three years from now, we're not able to reflect back and say "I remember when this guy was a mop up minute guy and now look at him out there kicking ass".

[twocoach]

It's code for, we liked you a lot earlier this season but now our budget has expanded more than we expected and there are a lot of free agents we have the money for, and we aren't so sure we want to invest the time in you when we have a guy who is already developed and ready to play and all we have to do is hook him up with this 800k we have in our ( oops not our - it's totally separate from us NCAA don't worry ) collective, so we don't like you as much anymore and it might be best for you to look elsewhere because we only have so many "schollies" ( lolz ) to give out.

It's a long code.

Meh. I am sure that Self tells all players that they will have to compete against other players for minutes and that they will always try to bring in the best possible players. I am glad that Philon flaked now instead of in the fall so we a least have a chance to fill his spot with a good player.

[ousdahl]

I too can appreciate the “like watching guys develop” argument

but at the same time, we’re often only missing out on like 4mpg of mop-up minutes.

But three years from now, we're not able to reflect back and say "I remember when this guy was a mop up minute guy and now look at him out there kicking ass".

I freaking told you we shoulda been playing him more 2 years ago!

[pdub]

I think it's very obviously different since the adoption of NIL.
How often do we have a player like Philon decommit in late April?

[pdub]

I too can appreciate the “like watching guys develop” argument

but at the same time, we’re often only missing out on like 4mpg of mop-up minutes.

Brutally bad take especially with Bill's history at Kansas and his long list of upperclassmen.

[ousdahl]

Better to have them decommit now than like halfway thru fall semester

[ousdahl]

I too can appreciate the “like watching guys develop” argument

but at the same time, we’re often only missing out on like 4mpg of mop-up minutes.

Brutally bad take especially with Bill's history at Kansas and his long list of upperclassmen.

Yea.

But it’s not like every single underclassman does, or ever has, panned out like we hope.