Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:16 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 am But you want landlords to give people free housing/at cost housing for the greater good. Hypocrite.

Wait so you want me to start paying to live in your head?

My heads free and clear. You couldn't afford that anyway. Room with a view

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:16 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 am But you want landlords to give people free housing/at cost housing for the greater good. Hypocrite.

I think he was with that one....don't let him set the hook!

What’s wild is how out of context you guys are willing to take me, as long as it fits your Qusdahl boogeyman narrative.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:21 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:16 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 am But you want landlords to give people free housing/at cost housing for the greater good. Hypocrite.

I think he was with that one....don't let him set the hook!

What’s wild is how out of context you guys are willing to take me, as long as it fits your Qusdahl boogeyman narrative.

Out of context?

Dont want to do your part for the greater good


Demand other people do their part for the greater good.

JFC

Right?

Anywho. All done jacking....time to lay pipe. Have fun y'all

Ohhh, I've been away, when did this Qusdahl v. TDub feud start? Seems like we need a cage match.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:03 am Honesty, not sure I’ll get poked again any time soon.

I had a headache for weeks, and my arm still aches.

I hesitate to subject myself to that shit again for the sake of some greater good, when so much of the greater good would still rather argue about their rights.

I dunno, that could change tho.

Interesting that you assume it was the vaccine that caused you to have a headache for weeks and that's why your arm still aches. It probably is/was but are you 100% sure?
I was told not to accept the vaccine from anyone who is cooking it up in a spoon and injecting it multiple times in to their own body. I hope that wasn't the source you used.

I laughed when I was discussing why some choose not to get vaccinated with a group of people I know and someone said "people very close to me are vax injured". When I asked her to elaborate on what exactly that means - she chose to end our conversation.
Maybe you know her - and you are "vax injured"?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:32 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:33 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:13 pm

No. It has nothing to do with a passport. It has to do with having documentation you even got it at all. I have a paper card. I got it at a mass vaccination site. They didn't ask for hardly any info on me. If i had lost my card, which thankfully i haven't, i am not sure i can even get another one.

Some people have gotten 3 shots already. There isn't very good documentation going on.

You're allowed to share the details of your vaccination with your doctor so that it is in your medical files. I did. It takes one phone call.

Sure. If you have a primary care physician. Less than 65% of americans in their 30s have primary care physicians.

I imagine that number is even lower in poorer communities with less access to healthcare?

So you are whining that people who dont have a primary physician also dont have a reliable means of storing their vaccination documentation? At what point are people just expected to act like freaking adults and securely store important documents? Good grief.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:51 am There is an editorial in the KC Star this morning calling for the Chiefs to require vaccination as a condition to attending games at Arrowhead.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn- ... 87809.html

Now look - as a person who (1) believes that social pressure/requirements like this are among the only things that will work to drive up the vaccine rate, (2) is vaccinated and (3) would like the demand for (and price of) Chiefs tickets to be driven down a bit, I’m all in favor.

And #1 above may be justification enough to support the requirement.

BUT - I find the editorial curious in that it mentions the no-requirement Garth Brooks concert at Arrowhead a couple weeks ago, without pointing to statistics about whether there is or is not evidence of that concert being a super-spreader event.

Seems relevant to the analysis here!

I didn’t read the column, but would that data even be available yet? Either way, KC hospital are packed. KU med had somewhere close to a 100% increase in covid admits in the past week.

Now Garth cancels the rest of his tour “to do his part.” Conveniently, it happens after the Midwest dates were already played. Wasn’t really a Garth fan before, but even less so now.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:13 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:58 am What are you talking about? They produced pretty compelling data suggesting that mRNA-vaccine-based protection begins to wane at about eight months?

Is that concerning? Shouldn't a quality vaccine provide protection for longer than just 8months?

(Phd?)

Booster shots are incredibly common.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:32 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:51 am There is an editorial in the KC Star this morning calling for the Chiefs to require vaccination as a condition to attending games at Arrowhead.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn- ... 87809.html

Now look - as a person who (1) believes that social pressure/requirements like this are among the only things that will work to drive up the vaccine rate, (2) is vaccinated and (3) would like the demand for (and price of) Chiefs tickets to be driven down a bit, I’m all in favor.

And #1 above may be justification enough to support the requirement.

BUT - I find the editorial curious in that it mentions the no-requirement Garth Brooks concert at Arrowhead a couple weeks ago, without pointing to statistics about whether there is or is not evidence of that concert being a super-spreader event.

Seems relevant to the analysis here!

I didn’t read the column, but would that data even be available yet? Either way, KC hospital are packed. KU med had somewhere close to a 100% increase in covid admits in the past week.

Now Garth cancels the rest of his tour “to do his part.” Conveniently, it happens after the Midwest dates were already played. Wasn’t really a Garth fan before, but even less so now.

I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was the conclusory language around the Garth concert. Came off as fearmongering without evidence.

Again - I would be wholly supportive of vaccine requirements for all sorts of entertainment/convenience/recreation things. It fits my view of things.

But I did not like this approach.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:03 am Honesty, not sure I’ll get poked again any time soon.

I had a headache for weeks, and my arm still aches.

I hesitate to subject myself to that shit again for the sake of some greater good, when so much of the greater good would still rather argue about their rights.

I dunno, that could change tho.

A good reaction indicating your immune system fully engaged.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:27 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:32 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:33 pm

You're allowed to share the details of your vaccination with your doctor so that it is in your medical files. I did. It takes one phone call.

Sure. If you have a primary care physician. Less than 65% of americans in their 30s have primary care physicians.

I imagine that number is even lower in poorer communities with less access to healthcare?

So you are whining that people who dont have a primary physician also dont have a reliable means of storing their vaccination documentation? At what point are people just expected to act like freaking adults and securely store important documents? Good grief.

I have securely stored my documents of vaccination. I am more organized than many. And I have easily available access to healthcare. Many don't.

At what point will you realize not everyone is as smart or lucky or well off as you? Good grief. Fuck the disadvantaged or most vulnerable? That's who we are trying to protect most.

35% of the black population is fully vaccinated. We want to limit services to them even more? There are unintended consequences to this stuff.

We need(ed) to think this through, otherwise it won't work....and a huge problem is that we didn't think this through at the beginning of vaccines being administered and now some people have crappy records and others have no records of their vaccination status...and we need to update the entire list continously because we need boosters every 8 months....that is no small task. It's a huge database of info that will be needed.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:51 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:32 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:51 am There is an editorial in the KC Star this morning calling for the Chiefs to require vaccination as a condition to attending games at Arrowhead.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn- ... 87809.html

Now look - as a person who (1) believes that social pressure/requirements like this are among the only things that will work to drive up the vaccine rate, (2) is vaccinated and (3) would like the demand for (and price of) Chiefs tickets to be driven down a bit, I’m all in favor.

And #1 above may be justification enough to support the requirement.

BUT - I find the editorial curious in that it mentions the no-requirement Garth Brooks concert at Arrowhead a couple weeks ago, without pointing to statistics about whether there is or is not evidence of that concert being a super-spreader event.

Seems relevant to the analysis here!

I didn’t read the column, but would that data even be available yet? Either way, KC hospital are packed. KU med had somewhere close to a 100% increase in covid admits in the past week.

Now Garth cancels the rest of his tour “to do his part.” Conveniently, it happens after the Midwest dates were already played. Wasn’t really a Garth fan before, but even less so now.

I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was the conclusory language around the Garth concert. Came off as fearmongering without evidence.

Again - I would be wholly supportive of vaccine requirements for all sorts of entertainment/convenience/recreation things. It fits my view of things.

But I did not like this approach.

I just read. His column should have been a tweet thread. Not a lot there.

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:27 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:03 am Honesty, not sure I’ll get poked again any time soon.

I had a headache for weeks, and my arm still aches.

I hesitate to subject myself to that shit again for the sake of some greater good, when so much of the greater good would still rather argue about their rights.

I dunno, that could change tho.

Interesting that you assume it was the vaccine that caused you to have a headache for weeks and that's why your arm still aches. It probably is/was but are you 100% sure?
I was told not to accept the vaccine from anyone who is cooking it up in a spoon and injecting it multiple times in to their own body. I hope that wasn't the source you used.

I laughed when I was discussing why some choose not to get vaccinated with a group of people I know and someone said "people very close to me are vax injured". When I asked her to elaborate on what exactly that means - she chose to end our conversation.
Maybe you know her - and you are "vax injured"?

I don’t often get headaches, and this was a peculiar one that felt like the bottom of my brain was sore or something, for at least a couple weeks after.

And my shoulder still feels bruised.

But maybe it’s all in my head. As I’ve mentioned, I’m scared of needles, and would be glad to never have to get poked by one again.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:08 am But maybe it’s all in my head. As I’ve mentioned, I’m scared of needles, and would be glad to never have to get poked by one again.

Get used to it at least every 8 months.

My shoulder hurt too for about 2 weeks it seemed like.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:04 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:27 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:32 am

Sure. If you have a primary care physician. Less than 65% of americans in their 30s have primary care physicians.

I imagine that number is even lower in poorer communities with less access to healthcare?

So you are whining that people who dont have a primary physician also dont have a reliable means of storing their vaccination documentation? At what point are people just expected to act like freaking adults and securely store important documents? Good grief.

I have securely stored my documents of vaccination. I am more organized than many. And I have easily available access to healthcare. Many don't.

At what point will you realize not everyone is as smart or lucky or well off as you? Good grief. Fuck the disadvantaged or most vulnerable? That's who we are trying to protect most.

35% of the black population is fully vaccinated. We want to limit services to them even more? There are unintended consequences to this stuff.

We need(ed) to think this through, otherwise it won't work....and a huge problem is that we didn't think this through at the beginning of vaccines being administered and now some people have crappy records and others have no records of their vaccination status...and we need to update the entire list continously because we need boosters every 8 months....that is no small task. It's a huge database of info that will be needed.

Again, I think you aren’t realizing that the vax card is hardly the only record of the immunizations. The databases already exist.

Ok. So lets say we can have a national database of vaccination status. It runs perfectly. No issues.

Still.... something like 35% of the black population is vaccinated. The most recent data I see says approximately 10% of the 72% of our population that has received 1 dose are black people.

We are okay with the unintended consequences that will go with the move to limit their access to doctors offices? Schools? Grocery stores? Work?

Do the downsides outweigh the upsides?

Just an interesting thing to think about. A lot of these policies only get looked at through the lense of white people. And saw some discussion of this starting to pop up in those communities as we start getting closer to vaccine passports (or whatever we decide to call them).

My only real point is we need to be careful how we implement something like this. There will be numerous obstacles.

Not sure if i am for or against passports and mandates yet.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:08 am But maybe it’s all in my head. As I’ve mentioned, I’m scared of needles, and would be glad to never have to get poked by one again.

I think I mentioned this, but I got a bloodclot in the lung in August 2020 (one year survival this Tuesday!), which the docs think was from a COVID infection I had March 2020. Through the diagnosis, I had roughly 15 vials of blood taken (they were taking my blood every few hours for a couple of days), two IVs, a CT with dye (they pumped me with a ton of shit that makes you feel like you are pissing yourself), and an MRI with dye, plus I had to get blood thinners injected like every 12 hours while in the hospital. My arm had track marks like I was an aging British rockstar and and seriously looked fucked up. Not to mention all this cost $60k with insurance (like that's what insurance was billed, my OOP was like $6k, so still a nice vacay).

I feel like you and I are roughly the same age (mid-30s) and I'm decently healthy (eat very well, marathon runner, went to gym 4-5 times a week before COVID). Try not to be short-sighted. A jab and a headache is better than the devil you don't know.