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Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:17 pm
by Cascadia
Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:10 pm
What's wrong with voting for principals rather than economic self-interest?
Nothing as long as your smart enough to understand the ramifications of the 'principles' you 'believe' in.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:19 pm
by PhDhawk
Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:10 pm
What's wrong with voting for principals rather than economic self-interest?
Yeah, I don't really get that argument. If there was a proposal that everyone who made under $400,000 paid zero income tax and everyone who made over $400,000 paid 75% tax on every dollar over that amount, it would benefit my economic self interests, but I'd never vote for it.
However, what I am fascinated by, is how so many lower income republicans have been convinced that higher taxes for themselves and the middle class and enormous tax breaks for the super-wealthy is A. fair, and B. going to help everyone in the long run.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:25 pm
by Cascadia
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:19 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:10 pm
What's wrong with voting for principals rather than economic self-interest?
Yeah, I don't really get that argument. If there was a proposal that everyone who made under $400,000 paid zero income tax and everyone who made over $400,000 paid 75% tax on every dollar over that amount, it would benefit my economic self interests, but I'd never vote for it.
However, what I am fascinated by, is how so many lower income republicans have been convinced that higher taxes for themselves and the middle class and enormous tax breaks for the super-wealthy is A. fair, and B. going to help everyone in the long run.
It's the great con that's a result of conservative capitalism. The elite have convinced poor people to fight for the rights of the rich. Even if that means they continue to live in *poverty.
*relatively speaking. Obviously poverty in the US is not the same as poverty in other countries.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:30 pm
by PhDhawk
Yeah, I don't want any group to be taxed too high. I think it would hurt the economy.
But, man, if I'm thinking of my favorite local pizzeria, I have a hard time being convinced that me, and a few million others like me having an extra couple hundred dollars of disposable income in our pockets isn't better for the pizzeria than a handful of billionaires each having several hundred million dollars extra. But, if you talk to a republican that's how it works.
I study bacteria though, not economics. feel free to correct me.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:36 pm
by Mjl
I think your pizza place would do better if it had less bacteria.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:47 pm
by Qusdahl
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:30 pm
Yeah, I don't want any group to be taxed too high. I think it would hurt the economy.
But, man, if I'm thinking of my favorite local pizzeria, I have a hard time being convinced that me, and a few million others like me having an extra couple hundred dollars of disposable income in our pockets isn't better for the pizzeria than a handful of billionaires each having several hundred million dollars extra. But, if you talk to a republican that's how it works.
I study bacteria though, not economics. feel free to correct me.
Wait, you think consumer-based economies function best with policies that benefit consumers?
LOL!
What next, you gonna try and tell us trickle down economics never actually trickles?!
Stick to bacteria, bub.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:23 pm
by zsn
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:14 pm
this is America. you can vote however you want.
Not if you live in “Red State” and you are not white. You are lucky if you get a ballot, let alone have the ability to turn it in or have it actually count
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:25 pm
by zsn
Qusdahl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:49 am
Finally, another poster who actually understands how freedom works!
Welcome ProudBoy. Be aware, lots of uppity woke libs and antifa fascists on these boreds, but now they’ll be more manageable now that there’s at least now 2 true patriots around here now.
Is it difficult keeping track of which sock is which? Asking for a friend
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:12 pm
by Qusdahl
I have no idea wut yer talking about.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:41 pm
by japhy
As Blanchard put it, people will weigh information that directly impacts their lives differently than information which seems more abstract. The name of the game is proximity.
"For example, a man who suspects his wife is cheating on him (close proximity) may work feverishly to find the truth, plant cameras in the home, hire a private detective, and so on," Blanchard explained. "But if the topic switches to Joe Biden's election (far proximity) the same man probably won't bother to even check a second news source before he decides what to 'believe.'" This can lead to a "pretty careless" relationship with political information because people do not truly appreciate the long-term consequences.
"It was easier to dislodge untruths before social media," Bowers-Abbott told Salon. "In social media, people tend to take public positions. When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility."
"It was easier to dislodge untruths before social media," Bowers-Abbott told Salon. "In social media, people tend to take public positions. When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility."
Durvasula was skeptical about the idea that you can persuade someone to abandon a Big Lie through evidence — and Blanchard said the same thing. The problem is that, simply put, a lot of people believe the Big Lie because they want to. It helps them. And the only way to stop the Big Lie, in those situations, is to stop the people spreading it.
"Trump's lies have always been about power," Blanchard wrote to Salon. "He demonstrates his power by lying to your face, and when there are no consequences, his power is seen to be confirmed. The actual content of his lies is of secondary importance." As such, Trump and the other spreaders of the Big Lie will only be discredited in the eyes of their supporters if they face their greatest fear — accountability.
Lee compared disabusing someone of the falsehoods in a Big Lie to treating regular delusions. One rule: Don't put them on the defensive.
"Confronting them, or presenting facts or evidence, never works," Lee told Salon. "You have to fix the underlying emotional vulnerability that led people to believing it in the first place. For populations, it is usually the pain of not having a place in the world, which socioeconomic inequality exacerbates. Deprivation of health care, education, an ability to make a living, and other avenues for dignity can make a population psychologically vulnerable to those who look to exploit them."
Maybe we can start a gofundme account for sQuirt so he and his wife can feel the dignity of moving out of her parents basement?
https://www.salon.com/2022/02/03/the-ps ... TuJOPplLfE
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:59 pm
by sdoyel
"Confronting them, or presenting facts or evidence, never works," Lee told Salon. "You have to fix the underlying emotional vulnerability that led people to believing it in the first place. For populations, it is usually the pain of not having a place in the world, which socioeconomic inequality exacerbates. Deprivation of health care, education, an ability to make a living, and other avenues for dignity can make a population psychologically vulnerable to those who look to exploit them."
Ain't that the fucking truth!
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:42 pm
by KUTradition
i particularly liked this part:
When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:43 pm
by japhy
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:42 pm
i particularly liked this part:
When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility.
It is hard to understand how doubling down on a known falsehood saves their "personal credibility", but in observing the rubes it does play out that way. They are broken. Sadly this is how a large swath of the US population and it seems like a majority of Fox News guzzlers are dealing with reality these days.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:13 pm
by Qusdahl
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:56 pm
by Cascadia
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:42 pm
i particularly liked this part:
When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility.
illy?
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:17 pm
by Deleted User 863
Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:56 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:42 pm
i particularly liked this part:
When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility.
illy?
You're flailing.
You can't keep up with yourself.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm
by Qusdahl
Fake News!
Raise the gallows!
ProudBoy stand down and stand by!
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:12 pm
by sdoyel
Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm
Fake News!
Raise the gallows!
ProudBoy stand down and stand by!
He’s totally running for potus. These clowns are going to tear themselves apart from the inside out.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:27 am
by sdoyel
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:55 am
by sdoyel
