TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:36 pm
Bill Weld is in I believe. Former libertarian.
Meh. Wasn't Kasich talking about entering? I'd vote for him over any of the most likely Democrats.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:21 pm
by Shirley
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:17 am
by Shirley
Not bad:
Biden is airing the first TV ad of his 2020 presidential campaign in Iowa Tuesday as part of a six-figure television and digital ad purchase in the first-in-the-nation caucus state.
The sixty-second television ad entitled "Bones" highlights the former vice president's work alongside former President Barack Obama and paints President Donald Trump as "an erratic, vicious, bullying president."
"We know in our bones this election is different. The stakes are higher. The threat more serious," a narrator says in the ad. "We have to beat Donald Trump and all the polls agree Joe Biden is the strongest Democrat to do the job. No one is more qualified." ...
I felt in my bones that if Biden ran in 2016 Donald Trump would not be our President today.
I understand and respect why he chose not to run in 2016 and my hope today is that he's not running 4 years too late.
I can't pinpoint why but I have a bad feeling he is. I am trying hard not to believe something/s is/are going to happen that is/are going to doom him and the Dems. Sure hope I am wrong.
One of my main genuine concerns is his age. We are still more than a year away from the election and then an additional 2+ months until the inauguration.
Then 4 years in office. Followed by a possible 4 more years? I like Joe. I don't like the thought of a 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 year old Joe Biden running the country. Just being brutally honest.
Do any of you share the same concern?
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:40 am
by ousdahl
Totes.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:49 am
by Shirley
Biden's most attractive virtue is that he isn't Trump.
For many, that's enough.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 am
by ousdahl
Hillary wasn’t Trump either.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:59 am
by ousdahl
I think much comes down to the beaverfever types who convinced themselves Trump “at least deserves a chance” and pretended they didn’t realize he was a shithead until after they voted for him.
Will they own it now?
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:03 am
by ousdahl
Or, who knows! Maybe it’ll come down to the types like my cousins who work manufacturing in Michigan and supported Trump cuz they thought his nationalist policies would save their jobs from the dark-skinned boogeymen.
How’d that work out for ya, fam?
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:17 am
by Shirley
It was very stable genius of Trump to take advantage of the farming community's preference for collecting welfare to actually planting and harvesting crops to sell, so Trump can count on holding that demographic in 2020.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:02 am
by TDub
Feral wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:17 am
the farming community's preference for collecting welfare to actually planting and harvesting crops to sell.
To that I say you can kindly fuck off.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:05 am
by ousdahl
Why’s that?
Tired of all them freeloaders?
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:06 am
by TDub
I'm not a farmer but I'm around them every single day. They, for the most part, are some of the hardest working, most self reliant, self sufficient, resilient people I know. The ones I know hate taking handouts and will work dusk til dawn to provide for their families without accepting the subsidies. Your generalization is uneducated and plain wrong. It's the type of broad, egregiously erroneous statements I would expect from Trump, but not from a Doc.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:30 am
by twocoach
Paul1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:34 am
I felt in my bones that if Biden ran in 2016 Donald Trump would not be our President today.
I understand and respect why he chose not to run in 2016 and my hope today is that he's not running 4 years too late.
I can't pinpoint why but I have a bad feeling he is. I am trying hard not to believe something/s is/are going to happen that is/are going to doom him and the Dems. Sure hope I am wrong.
One of my main genuine concerns is his age. We are still more than a year away from the election and then an additional 2+ months until the inauguration.
Then 4 years in office. Followed by a possible 4 more years? I like Joe. I don't like the thought of a 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 year old Joe Biden running the country. Just being brutally honest.
Do any of you share the same concern?
He's only 3 years older than Trump. If he was running against a 50 year then it would concern me as an issue but he is not so it does not.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:45 am
by twocoach
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:06 am
I'm not a farmer but I'm around them every single day. They, for the most part, are some of the hardest working, most self reliant, self sufficient, resilient people I know. The ones I know hate taking handouts and will work dusk til dawn to provide for their families without accepting the subsidies. Your generalization is uneducated and plain wrong. It's the type of broad, egregiously erroneous statements I would expect from Trump, but not from a Doc.
According to a recent USDA study, more than 30% of American farms are owned by non-operators who lease out the land to be farmed by others. Knocking farm owners isnt just a knock on farmers.
And so you know, many of the folks taking handouts for Food Stamps hate having to do it as well. But people on the right want to take that away from them because a small percentage of the users of food stamps game the system vs. being truly in need while ignoring the percentage of people gaming the CRP system.
My wife's family owns more than 1k acres of farmland in SE NE and leases it out to be farmed by locals while enjoying the nice CRP check they get for a percentage of their land to be left unfarmed at times. Needless to say, they are not in need of that extra income at all.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:46 am
by twocoach
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 am
Hillary wasn’t Trump either.
Trump wasn't this version of Trump back in 2016.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:49 am
by TDub
It's a bullshit statement
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:55 am
by twocoach
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:49 am
It's a bullshit statement
What's "it"? Feral's comment? Hey, sorry to tell you but my in-laws LOVE CRP. They get a check for that acreage and dont have to worry about if the farmer they lease to gets seed in on time, applies the amount of weed killer they bill for and doesn't steal a portion of their harvest. They complain about people "cranking out kids for bigger govt checks" while using the proceeds of their CRP check to buy up more acreage.
Re: who ya got?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:15 am
by twocoach
The hardworking farmers who own and work their land yet still need CRP checks to make ends meet are no different than the many folks who need SNAP to make ends meet. I dont understand how people on the right dont see that they are essentially the same.
CRP is required to keep prices up so that those farmers can make enough money to survive. SNAP is required to keep some people GED enough to survive. It's no different, yet only one is vilified by those on the right. Is it because those farmers are the ancestors and family members of some of those on the right who are OK with CRP while SNAP recipients are primarily non-white lower income urban dwellers who have no ties to the folks on the right who treat them like freeloaders? Not sure.