Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:23 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:15 pm Would love to see what he could do with the white house

Controversial business ethics…multiple failed marriages…sexual misconduct hush money…doesn’t pay taxes…shady ties to Russia…cult-like fanbase…hair plugs…have we seen this one before?

Pretty much sounds like Biden, minus the marriage issue. Of course, most of this applies to Trump as well. I am not a fan of either these days.

"Twitter is better now because they are allowing more" is not a stupid take, it's a matter of opinion. I happen to agree with it. I understand not agreeing.

"It was smart of Elon to shrink the company a ton to try to be profitable" is also not unreasonable.

"Elon got rid of all these people and Twitter is still running therefore they were clearly not doing anything useful" is just massively stupid.

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:17 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:00 pm

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:35 am

Agreed. People spread all kinds of incorrect information about the vaccines without knowing they were useless. "Pandemic of the unvaccinated" was just one example. People need to use their critical thinking and not rely on the news.

No, God no, not "critical thinking". That's the whole problem. "Common Sense" and "critical thinking" are part of the problem, they mean just giving into your brain's bugs instead of knowing how to identify good sources of information

So, you're saying "submit your mind" to some "expert"? Good luck with that. That's exactly what most Chinese are doing in China. How's that working out?

You still teach psych, Psych? Does your curriculum just involve you telling students to figure it out for themselves, to just use their common sense to understand people's minds? Because that's what you're advocating here

I'll bet I know who started the rumor.

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:00 pm

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:35 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:17 pm The problem is that we've enabled the spread of information before properly teaching people how to distinguish good information from bad information.

Agreed. People spread all kinds of incorrect information about the vaccines without knowing they were useless. "Pandemic of the unvaccinated" was just one example. People need to use their critical thinking and not rely on the news.

No, God no, not "critical thinking". That's the whole problem. "Common Sense" and "critical thinking" are part of the problem, they mean just giving into your brain's bugs instead of knowing how to identify good sources of information

Exactly. This would be like the Journal of the American Chemical Society encouraging publication of Alchemy or the Phlogiston Theory in the interest of Free Speech. There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research. I have no business expressing an opinion on trends in brain surgery, the same way you are unqualified to have an opinion on the latest in mRNA research or on trying to distinguish between Pd(II-IV) or Pd(0-II) redox couples in C-H activation reactions.

zsn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:51 pm There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research.

Oh boy. I guess we should not read anything to learn on our own, right? Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs. Just let someone else make all your important decisions in life. Heck, no one should be talking about KU basketball based on your logic. If you're that lazy in life that you cannot learn on your own, you'll pay for it later on down the road.

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:21 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:51 pm There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research.

Oh boy. I guess we should not read anything to learn on our own, right? Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs. Just let someone else make all your important decisions in life. Heck, no one should be talking about KU basketball based on your logic. If you're that lazy in life that you cannot learn on your own, you'll pay for it later on down the road.

I can only speak for myself. I think more people need to read to learn and do more research on their own. That being said, here lies today's current state and problem/s. Too many people are saying too many things in regards to the same subject/s and too many people are not smart enough to be able to decide for themselves what is true and what is bullshit. I witness it on a daily basis.

Of course smart people and "experts" make mistakes and we shouldn't believe they don't but why would someone choose to believe Mark from Boise who is a tire salesman knows more about brain surgery than a Bill from Miami who is a brain surgeon? Yet, people do/would. Now of course Bill might have some agenda to spread bullshit and misinformation - and that happens too.
That's my biggest issue today but overall......
I think this meme (see below) pretty much hits the nail on the head - and yet there are people who disagree. How? Why?
Sure, go ahead and switch Maga hat wearing geniuses with Liberal shirt wearing geniuses - and it has the same meaning.

A two time cancer survivor responded with this......

"Because no one has ever died because an RN MD etc made a mistake?"

I felt compelled to respond to him - "Of course they make mistakes and people die because of them. Let me help you understand the meme. You're a 2 time cancer survivor. Who diagnosed you? Who treated you? Do you think you would have had a better diagnosis from a circus clown and better treatment from Ted Cruz? "

“Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs.”

Sure.
I did some “research” into which vaccine was looking to be most effective and got that one.
Just like I “researched” into which vehicle would be the most dependable.

I didn’t look at all vehicles and say, well, these mechanical engineers have an agenda just to push product, all of them are unsafe, so I’m going to stick with good old walking and horseback.

The choice to walk and travel by horseback is of course yours and no one should stop you from doing so ( and when this did happen in regards to what this analogy was about, I was opposed ). But when you loudly spout off reasons why people driving to work are dying from useless untested machines you just look like an idiot.

The more reasonable thing to do, although still less reasonable than what is possible, would be to just tie Scout up to the hitch post and keep your “research” to yourself.

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:31 pm

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:17 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:00 pm

No, God no, not "critical thinking". That's the whole problem. "Common Sense" and "critical thinking" are part of the problem, they mean just giving into your brain's bugs instead of knowing how to identify good sources of information

So, you're saying "submit your mind" to some "expert"? Good luck with that. That's exactly what most Chinese are doing in China. How's that working out?

You still teach psych, Psych? Does your curriculum just involve you telling students to figure it out for themselves, to just use their common sense to understand people's minds? Because that's what you're advocating here

Just for clarity's sake, StayCurious is not Psych. I've been too busy working and being a father to my new baby to hang around with all of you fine people the last few months. My guess is it's Lobster, but, admittedly, I haven't done a deep dive on the matter. My best to all.

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:21 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:51 pm There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research.

Oh boy. I guess we should not read anything to learn on our own, right? Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs. Just let someone else make all your important decisions in life. Heck, no one should be talking about KU basketball based on your logic. If you're that lazy in life that you cannot learn on your own, you'll pay for it later on down the road.

Wow, you stretched that about as far as you could, didn't you? "Research" as in critically discern which are good sources of information is very different from the kind of "research" that is scientifically rigorous (reviewed, statistically significant, grounded in referencable prior work). And sorry, as much as it hurts me to say this, humanity isn't really harmed if I am right or wrong about my stance on the four-guard approach. On the other hand, I think it best to leave matters of life and death to the professionals. I may still critically evaluate some of them where I deem appropriate- I am not a total sheep and fodder for every salesman.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:03 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:31 pm

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:17 pm

So, you're saying "submit your mind" to some "expert"? Good luck with that. That's exactly what most Chinese are doing in China. How's that working out?

You still teach psych, Psych? Does your curriculum just involve you telling students to figure it out for themselves, to just use their common sense to understand people's minds? Because that's what you're advocating here

Just for clarity's sake, StayCurious is not Psych. I've been too busy working and being a father to my new baby to hang around with all of you fine people the last few months. My guess is it's Lobster, but, admittedly, I haven't done a deep dive on the matter. My best to all.

Oh, shit. Didn't seem like lobster, there weren't tons of YouTube links

youtube links would’ve been too obvious

the syntax, and general engagement with only those who sympathize with his lunacy, were dead giveaways

those, and the fact that he is almost exclusively posting in this and the covid thread

Tough to be able to tell.
He got banned for spamming the bored with links and youtube vids.
This guy ( lobster ) hasn't done that yet.

extremely high likelihood lobster gets his medical care from the same guy who changes his oil.

just rub a little 10W40 on it bro, that'll clear the covid right up!

At least you've taken away all of his "weapons".

He fooled me, I could have sworn he was psych

DrPepper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:21 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:51 pm There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research.

Oh boy. I guess we should not read anything to learn on our own, right? Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs. Just let someone else make all your important decisions in life. Heck, no one should be talking about KU basketball based on your logic. If you're that lazy in life that you cannot learn on your own, you'll pay for it later on down the road.

Wow, you stretched that about as far as you could, didn't you? "Research" as in critically discern which are good sources of information is very different from the kind of "research" that is scientifically rigorous (reviewed, statistically significant, grounded in referencable prior work). And sorry, as much as it hurts me to say this, humanity isn't really harmed if I am right or wrong about my stance on the four-guard approach. On the other hand, I think it best to leave matters of life and death to the professionals. I may still critically evaluate some of them where I deem appropriate- I am not a total sheep and fodder for every salesman.

I agree with you to some degree. I certainly am not going to perform a surgery on myself. However, the "experts" over the last two years on covid have proven to not be what they claim they are. Also, it wasn't complicated at all to see how the vaccines would fail. If I could see it, anyone could.

wait wait wait

so you're NOT going to perform a surgery on yourself?

That's exactly what the "experts" would want...

like for real bro do some of your own research here.

StayCurious wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:21 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:51 pm There is no reason for the unqualified to do their own research.

Oh boy. I guess we should not read anything to learn on our own, right? Don't research which mechanics are good and which ones are rip-offs. Just let someone else make all your important decisions in life. Heck, no one should be talking about KU basketball based on your logic. If you're that lazy in life that you cannot learn on your own, you'll pay for it later on down the road.

As usual you missed the point completely. I’m all for people educating themselves and learning as much as they can. However, the biggest strength a person has is knowing what they don’t know. The worst trait in a human is thinking that they are knowledgeable in areas outside of their field of expertise and being especially critical of those who are. Second guessing a coaching decision with the benefit of hindsight is not the same as questioning the scientific rationale of a subject matter expert unless you yourself are an expert in that field.

Too bad you (collective) are unable to appreciate that distinction.

Oh, and what DrPepper said!