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Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:16 pm
by JKLivin
TraditionKU wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:28 pm anyone else not surprised that psych came out from under his rock just to defend and justify the actions of this little shit?

amazing

if he hadn’t illegally been carrying, none of this woulda happened

if he’d have just stayed home, none of this woulda happened
And if the rioting looters would have just stayed home none of this woulda happened either.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:06 pm
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:29 pm It is a truly surreal moment in history when people condemn a frightened 17 year-old trying desperately to protect himself from being beaten to death and make martyrs out of people who, while rioting, looting, and wantonly destroying property, feel the need to chase down, assualt, and threaten the aforementioned 17 year-old. This country is officially over.
Wait, did said 17 year old grab an assault rifle and travel to another state to pretend to be an armed EMT who was only there to allegedly protect the property of people who never asked him to or whom he doesn't know?
And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:28 pm
by PhDhawk
What happened to personal responsibility?

The riotering looters are not the ones who shot and killed people.

If everyone jumped off a cliff, you can too and psych will defend you as long as he likes your politics? Got it.

It's sad how all the things you normally claim to stand for get thrown out the window when they don't suit you.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:15 am
by ousdahl
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?
What do you think Kyle is, a black guy selling drugs or something?

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:22 am
by Deleted User 89
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:16 pm
TraditionKU wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:28 pm anyone else not surprised that psych came out from under his rock just to defend and justify the actions of this little shit?

amazing

if he hadn’t illegally been carrying, none of this woulda happened

if he’d have just stayed home, none of this woulda happened
And if the rioting looters would have just stayed home none of this woulda happened either.
did they kill anyone?

you’re an awful person

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:43 am
by Deleted User 89
by your logic, psych, if this wasn’t a racist country with a history of slavery, jim crow, and civil rights abuses, then the “rioting looters” wouldn’t have been out there in the first place

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:47 am
by Overlander
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm
Overlander wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:06 pm
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:29 pm It is a truly surreal moment in history when people condemn a frightened 17 year-old trying desperately to protect himself from being beaten to death and make martyrs out of people who, while rioting, looting, and wantonly destroying property, feel the need to chase down, assualt, and threaten the aforementioned 17 year-old. This country is officially over.
Wait, did said 17 year old grab an assault rifle and travel to another state to pretend to be an armed EMT who was only there to allegedly protect the property of people who never asked him to or whom he doesn't know?
And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?
Seems premeditated, no?

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 am
by Deleted User 89
doesn’t the bible support “eye for an eye”?

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:35 am
by ousdahl

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:51 am
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:47 am
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm
Overlander wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:06 pm

Wait, did said 17 year old grab an assault rifle and travel to another state to pretend to be an armed EMT who was only there to allegedly protect the property of people who never asked him to or whom he doesn't know?
And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?
Seems premeditated, no?
Premeditated murder? No. I think he should be convicted for having an illegal firearm.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:54 am
by JKLivin
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:43 am by your logic, psych, if this wasn’t a racist country with a history of slavery, jim crow, and civil rights abuses, then the “rioting looters” wouldn’t have been out there in the first place
So, by your logic, rioting, destroying property, and threatening others is okay if there is sufficient oUTrAgE over injustice and disenfranchisement? I assume that means you don’t think criminal charges were warranted for those who participated in the riots in D.C. on January 6th.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:55 am
by JKLivin
ousdahl wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:15 am
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?
What do you think Kyle is, a black guy selling drugs or something?
I don’t agree with the drug court sentencing guidelines either. Although you’re comparing apples to oranges, I think.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:56 am
by JKLivin
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 am doesn’t the bible support “eye for an eye”?
No. Jesus specifically spoke against it. Emphatically.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:58 am
by JKLivin
PhDhawk wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:28 pm What happened to personal responsibility?

The riotering looters are not the ones who shot and killed people.

If everyone jumped off a cliff, you can too and psych will defend you as long as he likes your politics? Got it.

It's sad how all the things you normally claim to stand for get thrown out the window when they don't suit you.
You’re assuming that I think Rittenhouse did nothing wrong and should not face criminal charges. Not true. All I have said is that he should not be charged with murder. I think the jury, if given other sentencing options, will agree.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:59 am
by Cascadia
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:54 am
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:43 am by your logic, psych, if this wasn’t a racist country with a history of slavery, jim crow, and civil rights abuses, then the “rioting looters” wouldn’t have been out there in the first place
So, by your logic, rioting, destroying property, and threatening others is okay if there is sufficient oUTrAgE over injustice and disenfranchisement? I assume that means you don’t think criminal charges were warranted for those who participated in the riots in D.C. on January 6th.
I don't think you'll find many people on here who condone rioting and destroying property.

If you find those people during a protest, prosecute them. But there have been hundreds of protests in the last few years that have included millions of people who have done so peacefully. The extremally minor percentage of those people who have broken the law during those protests should be held legally accountable for their actions.

Just like Kyle should be held accountable for murdering two people.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:47 am
by ousdahl
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:51 am
Overlander wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:47 am
JKLivin wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:24 pm

And all of that means he should spend the rest of his life in prison? Seriously?
Seems premeditated, no?
Premeditated murder? No. I think he should be convicted for having an illegal firearm.
So if one can legally defend oneself with an illegal firearm, where is that line drawn?

What other illegal weapons are also fair game as long as it’s the pretext of “self-defense?”

If you’re gonna let someone legally claim self-defense with illegal weapons, what’s the point of making the weapons illegal in the first place?

For any other kid hanging places they aren’t supposed to be with guns they aren’t supposed to have, at what point do you just call them thugs?

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:08 pm
by Overlander
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:56 am
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 am doesn’t the bible support “eye for an eye”?
Jesus specifically spoke against it.
Funniest post you will ever read here

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm
by Overlander
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:54 am
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:43 am by your logic, psych, if this wasn’t a racist country with a history of slavery, jim crow, and civil rights abuses, then the “rioting looters” wouldn’t have been out there in the first place
So, by your logic, rioting, destroying property, and threatening others is okay if there is sufficient oUTrAgE over injustice and disenfranchisement? I assume that means you don’t think criminal charges were warranted for those who participated in the riots in D.C. on January 6th.
Huge difference between threatening someone a putting a bullet through them.

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:55 pm
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:54 am
TraditionKU wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:43 am by your logic, psych, if this wasn’t a racist country with a history of slavery, jim crow, and civil rights abuses, then the “rioting looters” wouldn’t have been out there in the first place
So, by your logic, rioting, destroying property, and threatening others is okay if there is sufficient oUTrAgE over injustice and disenfranchisement? I assume that means you don’t think criminal charges were warranted for those who participated in the riots in D.C. on January 6th.
Huge difference between threatening someone a putting a bullet through them.
Just following Trad’s logic to its conclusion. Unless, of course, it’s a case of “If I don’t like them or their politics, then the standards are different.”

Re: Kenosha

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:00 pm
by Overlander
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:55 pm
Overlander wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm
JKLivin wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:54 am

So, by your logic, rioting, destroying property, and threatening others is okay if there is sufficient oUTrAgE over injustice and disenfranchisement? I assume that means you don’t think criminal charges were warranted for those who participated in the riots in D.C. on January 6th.
Huge difference between threatening someone a putting a bullet through them.
Just following Trad’s logic to its conclusion. Unless, of course, it’s a case of “If I don’t like them or their politics, then the standards are different.”
You are trying too hard