A Virginia man named Isaiah Brown is in the hospital after calling 911 over a domestic disturbance.
He was on the phone with the dispatcher outside his house when a sheriff’s deputy, who had just given him a ride home, mistook the phone for a gun and shot him 6 times.
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ousdahl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:15 am A Virginia man named Isaiah Brown is in the hospital after calling 911 over a domestic disturbance.
He was on the phone with the dispatcher outside his house when a sheriff’s deputy, who had just given him a ride home, mistook the phone for a gun and shot him 6 times.
Mixed feelings on this one. Wondering if the dispatcher has any liability in this.
Did the dispatcher relay to the cop/s that he (Brown) would be walking down the street with a phone in his hand and/or that on the phone call there was situation in which he was threatening to kill his brother and that there was possibly a gun involved?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vi ... m-n1265195
"Do you have any weapons on you?" a dispatcher asks.
"No," Brown responds, telling dispatch that he's "walking down the road" with his house phone.
At one point during the call, Brown can be heard threatening to kill his brother and saying, "Give me the gun."
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Yeah, I dunno what duty a dispatcher has to mention those sorts of details.
What duty does the victim have to comply? If he had prob just dropped the phone and raised his hands, maybe he wouldn’t have been shot? Maybe not.
What duty does a cop have to differentiate between a gun and a phone before blasting? Is it really that hard to tell the difference? Should a threat not be more affirmatively identified before blasting? Is there a legal difference between a cop’s defense being less “fear for my life” and more “he just wasn’t complying” ?
I heard the cop’s body cam in which he pulls up and basically shouts orders for a few seconds before shooting, but can’t really hear the victim. I wonder what he was saying/what the 911 call sounds like? If he’s saying, “officer but it’s just a phone, I’m talking to 911,” oh man.
(Here is where I’m tempted to make some comment/joke about who the eff still has a cordless home phone? What is this, 1996?)
And the grander question that still looms: particularly if you were a person of color, would you hesitate to call the cops?
What duty does the victim have to comply? If he had prob just dropped the phone and raised his hands, maybe he wouldn’t have been shot? Maybe not.
What duty does a cop have to differentiate between a gun and a phone before blasting? Is it really that hard to tell the difference? Should a threat not be more affirmatively identified before blasting? Is there a legal difference between a cop’s defense being less “fear for my life” and more “he just wasn’t complying” ?
I heard the cop’s body cam in which he pulls up and basically shouts orders for a few seconds before shooting, but can’t really hear the victim. I wonder what he was saying/what the 911 call sounds like? If he’s saying, “officer but it’s just a phone, I’m talking to 911,” oh man.
(Here is where I’m tempted to make some comment/joke about who the eff still has a cordless home phone? What is this, 1996?)
And the grander question that still looms: particularly if you were a person of color, would you hesitate to call the cops?
Last edited by ousdahl on Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
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"particularly if you were a person of color, what good can come from calling the cops?"
Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of calls there are to 911 each day?
Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of calls there are to 911 each day?
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Yeah, I just changed that question.
Because of that hesitation, I wonder how many calls aren’t made.
Because of that hesitation, I wonder how many calls aren’t made.
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I was shocked to just learn that there are supposedly 600,000 911 calls made daily in the USA.
Many (over 20) years ago I would mess with people and tell them to call 3-1-2 S-H-I-T-F-U-C.
When they answered they would say "Chicago Police, Detective _____________ )".
Many (over 20) years ago I would mess with people and tell them to call 3-1-2 S-H-I-T-F-U-C.
When they answered they would say "Chicago Police, Detective _____________ )".
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Cops trying to redact the footage?
This must be bad
This must be bad
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Huh?
Hopeful for what?
Hopeful for what?
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Duh!
Wait, wut?
On another note, DoJ considering charges against Chauvin for beating up and kneeling on a 14yo black kid for 17 minutes in 2017.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chauvins-conv ... d=77254006
(How come that wasn’t allowed as evidence, but Floyd’s past history of arrests was?)
Wait, wut?
On another note, DoJ considering charges against Chauvin for beating up and kneeling on a 14yo black kid for 17 minutes in 2017.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chauvins-conv ... d=77254006
(How come that wasn’t allowed as evidence, but Floyd’s past history of arrests was?)
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Ohh got it. Thanks guys.
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Statement by the family is that they only showed 20 seconds of video to the family. That's probably not going to cut it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/us/andre ... index.html
So much for transparency.
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Gonna need to show a lot more than that fellas.
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shots already being fired when the video started...so, like, what prompted the shooting?