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randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:05 pm

Dude the virus itself doesn't affect that high of a percentage of people. We have statistical data on that. The amount of people hospitalized from covid is really low percentage wise. Always has been. You keep bringing up lockdowns mandates and stuff. Humans chose to do those. We didn't have to. They didn't stop covid. Minimally effective at best. If your argument is that the lockdowns and mandates are what is affecting everyone then you are accidentally admitting we shouldn't be having mandates

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:05 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:05 pm

Dude the virus itself doesn't affect that high of a percentage of people. We have statistical data on that. The amount of people hospitalized from covid is really low percentage wise. Always has been. You keep bringing up lockdowns mandates and stuff. Humans chose to do those. We didn't have to. They didn't stop covid. Minimally effective at best. If your argument is that the lockdowns and mandates are what is affecting everyone then you are accidentally admitting we shouldn't be having mandates

How about some math. The low percentage would be about 5% from numbers I found. No big deal.

If we did not try to flatten the curve while a vaccine was developed and we just let the disease run wild that would only mean 5% of 335,000,000 people or 16,750,000 people who need to be in an ICU. And there are another 13% or 43,550,000 that would need hospitalization. Even if only half the US got it in that first year, that puts an additional 30,000,000 people into hospitals.

This country has about 925,000 hospital beds, enough to cover .27% of the population at any time.

And we have about 35,000,000 non-covid admissions in a "normal" year for those hospital beds.

It's a small percentage of a big number. Does that help you put it in perspective?

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:05 pm

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:45 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:56 pm

Those lockdowns were ineffective and not backed by science. And are a separate issue. It was governments around the world panicking at the threat of the unknown. And for some reason copying china's response. Lockdowns were another another mistake by the government. We are still feeling the effects of it.

I think you accidentally supported my point tho. Lockdowns and vaccine mandates affect 100 percent of us. The virus affects maybe 5 percent. It makes no sense to enforce something on 100 percent of a population in regards to something that affects such a small percentage. Regardless of the situation

"The lockdowns were ineffective" because...... You said so? Please define "ineffective".
I say if a lockdown prevented just one person from contracting/spreading the virus, then it was effective. At least it was for that person. Which could have been you and/or someone you care about.

"and not backed by science"?...... I don't need science to tell me that if someone is sick and they stay at home and/or they are not near me - they are not going to get me sick.

Governments around the world may have been panicking at "the threat of the unknown" but the threat of the known was that people around the world were contracting a deadly virus that was fucking a lot of people up - in more ways than just being hospitalized and/or dying.

I am not educated enough on the subject to know everyone (individuals and countries as a whole) who was/were "copying China's response. No doubt mistakes were made. No doubt some good/beneficial decisions were made too.

Mistake or not, lockdowns were what was determined to be a good (if not best) way to stop the spread.
When shit was grim, as much as I detested the lockdown/s, right or wrong, I did and respected what I was told to do and what was deemed to be best for EVERYONE. Even if I disagreed.

Seems you and I can argue/debate semantics but I refuse to believe that the virus has affected less than 10% of the US population.

Dude the virus itself doesn't affect that high of a percentage of people. We have statistical data on that. The amount of people hospitalized from covid is really low percentage wise. Always has been. You keep bringing up lockdowns mandates and stuff. Humans chose to do those. We didn't have to. They didn't stop covid. Minimally effective at best. If your argument is that the lockdowns and mandates are what is affecting everyone then you are accidentally admitting we shouldn't be having mandates

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:28 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:05 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:05 pm

Dude the virus itself doesn't affect that high of a percentage of people. We have statistical data on that. The amount of people hospitalized from covid is really low percentage wise. Always has been. You keep bringing up lockdowns mandates and stuff. Humans chose to do those. We didn't have to. They didn't stop covid. Minimally effective at best. If your argument is that the lockdowns and mandates are what is affecting everyone then you are accidentally admitting we shouldn't be having mandates

How about some math. The low percentage would be about 5% from numbers I found. No big deal.

If we did not try to flatten the curve while a vaccine was developed and we just let the disease run wild that would only mean 5% of 335,000,000 people or 16,750,000 people who need to be in an ICU. And there are another 13% or 43,550,000 that would need hospitalization. Even if only half the US got it in that first year, that puts an additional 30,000,000 people into hospitals.

This country has about 925,000 hospital beds, enough to cover .27% of the population at any time.

And we have about 35,000,000 non-covid admissions in a "normal" year for those hospital beds.

It's a small percentage of a big number. Does that help you put it in perspective?

Not everybody is going to get it tho. Ive gotten the flu one time in my entire life. So I get what you're trying to say but doesn't quite apply

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:07 pm I'm curious how people reading all these dire articles on covid actually relate to the real world. If you get out and about you realize most people are living a normal life and don't really give a shit about covid

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:00 pm Thats a good argument for allowing healthy young people to build up natural antibodies to covid19 too then. Opposed to all this lockdowns mask mandates and vaccine requirements. And coronavirus has been around

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:35 pm Randy wants people to die cuz freedum.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:20 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:35 pm Randy wants people to die cuz freedum.

I like how the ERs are overfull and people are dying in accidents in higher numbers. Without sufficient treatment. Freedom.

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:25 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:20 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:35 pm Randy wants people to die cuz freedum.

I like how the ERs are overfull and people are dying in accidents in higher numbers. Without sufficient treatment. Freedom.

Source?

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:20 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:35 pm Randy wants people to die cuz freedum.

I like how the ERs are overfull and people are dying in accidents in higher numbers. Without sufficient treatment. Freedom.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:13 pm Plano ISD held an emergency School Board meeting. They quickly got to the point: Temporary Mask Mandate begins Thursday. Why now? Why not the first day of school? Oh well, at least it’s happening…

I’ll go to sleep tonight praying my 5yo didn’t catch Covid from his classmate… Tomorrow I’ll send him right back into the Covid crossfire and play the game of chess because I desperately want my son to have some kind of normalcy. Of course, I (and others wouldn’t have to do this) if it weren’t for you brain dead pieces of shit who are too scared to get a damn shot.

Fuck all of you “because I don’t want to”, “it’s my freedom”, “own the libs!” morons.

Randy, do you have a fucking kid? Ah forget it. You wouldn’t get it anyway.

Try being a parent to young kids right now…

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:58 pm

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:13 pm Plano ISD held an emergency School Board meeting. They quickly got to the point: Temporary Mask Mandate begins Thursday. Why now? Why not the first day of school? Oh well, at least it’s happening…

I’ll go to sleep tonight praying my 5yo didn’t catch Covid from his classmate… Tomorrow I’ll send him right back into the Covid crossfire and play the game of chess because I desperately want my son to have some kind of normalcy. Of course, I (and others wouldn’t have to do this) if it weren’t for you brain dead pieces of shit who are too scared to get a damn shot.

Fuck all of you “because I don’t want to”, “it’s my freedom”, “own the libs!” morons.

Randy, do you have a fucking kid? Ah forget it. You wouldn’t get it anyway.

Try being a parent to young kids right now…

I understand that its difficult with kids. I do. But, you are aware that vaccinated people still carry and spread the virus right? Unless you want to close the borders and completely isolate and quarantine with no movement until the entire world is vaccinated and boostered and boostered again then mayyyybbe it would go away except for pockets of outbreak. Its here, its going to stay. The vaccinations appear to be helping the severity but they arent stopping the spread. Israel is, i believe, the most vaccinated country in the world and they are experiencing a huge spike as well. Its fun to belittle and scream at people you disagree with but that doesn't mean the world is back to normal with a shot in the arm. Not by any stretch.