Kansas Crimson

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:59 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:30 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:14 pm Gutter, one more time -- you have to earn my time. Take a look at Illy if you want to see an example of someone who knows how to have a "discussion."

I have to earn your time? You're implying I don't know how to have a discussion?
Who the fuck do you think you are? Someone who is superior to me and that I am supposed to respect?
As far as I am concerned, you're really nothing more to me than at times - an annoying person on a message board.
Like I said, congratulations on that.
I have attempted to engage you respectfully in terms of your attention seeking posts and clearly you choose to be nothing more towards me than a clueless fuck who has no spine, brain, or balls in terms of backing up the shit you spew. Good for you!

How'd I do there? Are you happy? Did I appease you with my post?

My point proven. lol

I'm sure you talk to your friends and family like this, right? Again, study how Illy communicates...

NiceDC wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:07 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:32 pm Blech. She had one "good" primary debate, and that was when she was attacking Biden, accusing him of being a racist.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... gn=wp_main

No, Kamala Harris didn’t call Joe Biden racist

The very first words of the very first statement that President Trump’s reelection campaign offered in response to the selection of Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) to be Joe Biden’s running mate were false.

“Not long ago,” the statement from campaign adviser Katrina Pierson read, “Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist and asked for an apology she never received.”

None of that is true, and given the alacrity with which similar claims spread following the Harris announcement, it’s worth explaining why.

The claim apparently stems from a moment in the first Democratic primary debate in late June 2019, when Harris and the former vice president were both contending for the party’s nomination. The candidates on the stage, all 10 of them, were discussing then-South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s record with his city’s Black population.

Harris, seizing the floor, used the moment to pivot to criticism of Biden, the candidate who had continually led in the polls. Earlier that month, Biden touted his ability to work with senators with whom he disagreed, including ones who supported segregation.

“I was actually very — it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country,” Harris said. “And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing” — that is, federal efforts to integrate schools by busing Black students into largely White districts.

“You know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day,” Harris continued. “And that little girl was me.”

Biden, clearly taken aback, called it “a mischaracterization of my position across the board” and insisted that he “did not praise racists.” The two went back and forth on Biden’s record on busing for a while, and then the conversation moved on.

It was an effective attack that briefly elevated Harris into the upper tier of the field. But it was not an accusation that Biden was racist.

In fact, Harris prefaced her comments by specifically saying she wasn’t making that accusation.

“I’m going to now direct this at Vice President Biden,” she said when she got the floor. “I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground.”

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a frequent foil of Harris’s during the primary race, was one of the first to nonetheless allege that Harris called Biden racist, as she did in a later tweet. This was in part simply a framing of the exchange. But it was also a broader function of Harris’s insistence that Biden be accountable for his comments about the segregationists.

In a speech a few days after the debate, Biden expressed regret for what he had said.

“Was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again? Yes, I was. I regret it,” Biden said. “I’m sorry for any of the pain or misconception I may have caused anybody.”

The “anybody” clearly included Harris. She responded.

“He says he’s sorry, and I’m going to take him at his word,” she told CNN. “But again that doesn’t address the issue of busing in America.” Harris also said that Biden was “right to recognize the impact of his words” and that his apology demanded “courage.”

That, again, is not how the Trump campaign statement presented the interactions. Instead, Trump’s team — or, at least, Pierson — appears to be using “called him racist” in the ironically broad sense of “raised questions about his approach to race.” It’s a not-uncommon conflation to assume that race-centered questions about behavior are necessarily questions about racist intent, but it’s a generally unsophisticated one. What’s more, if that’s the bar for calling someone a racist, there are probably few politicians in America who have been “called a racist” more frequently than Pierson’s boss, President Trump.

Often literally. A January poll conducted by The Washington Post and Ipsos found that 4 in 5 Black Americans consider Trump to be racist; a slightly larger percentage said they thought Trump had exacerbated racism in the country. A Quinnipiac University poll released last July found that a majority of Americans similarly believed Trump is racist. That’s the current against which Trump has been trying — unsuccessfully — to swim.

That’s the point of the statement, of course: to muddy the water on Biden’s and Trump’s records on race. With an eye to that goal, Trump has repeatedly claimed to have done more for Black Americans than any prior president, with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln. In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt that aired Tuesday, Trump said he expected to win more Black votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.

Anything is possible. But misrepresenting Harris’s views of Biden’s history is a dishonest way to try to do so.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:12 am So i was sort of surprised to see on social media A LOT of black people were unhappy/turned off by the Harris pick....it obviously didnt seem like any would vote for trump because of it, but a portion seemed like it might be a reason not to vote at all.

Their reasons ranged from her history of putting a lot of black men in jail for crimes maybe not worthy of their sentence, and i guess (?) there was an instance where she ignored evidence that would have proven a black man innocent (not sure what instance that is or if someone here can elaborate), also her being married to a white man....cant make everyone happy, and obviously comments on social media are just "comments", although it is hard not to go down that rabbit hole occasionally and read them. The posts were from various black people. The one that stuck out most comments wise was rapper TI who praised her and got significant push back from his followers. I like his music so i follow him. He tries to be an activist and bring awarness to things, but at times fails miserably by sharing fake news because he doesnt always fact check the memes he likes to share. But that is neither here nor there for this instance.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:12 am So i was sort of surprised to see on social media A LOT of black people were unhappy/turned off by the Harris pick....it obviously didnt seem like any would vote for trump because of it, but a portion seemed like it might be a reason not to vote at all.

Their reasons ranged from her history of putting a lot of black men in jail for crimes maybe not worthy of their sentence, and i guess (?) there was an instance where she ignored evidence that would have proven a black man innocent (not sure what instance that is or if someone here can elaborate), also her being married to a white man....cant make everyone happy, and obviously comments on social media are just "comments", although it is hard not to go down that rabbit hole occasionally and read them. The posts were from various black people. The one that stuck out most comments wise was rapper TI who praised her and got significant push back from his followers. I like his music so i follow him. He tries to be an activist and bring awarness to things, but at times fails miserably by sharing fake news because he doesnt always fact check the memes he likes to share. But that is neither here nor there for this instance.

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:47 pm Chickin was the one who brought up "vagina". I was just pointing out that he is right -- they required a black vagina. No males were considered for the VP role. How sad that we choose leaders for the most important job based on their skin and gender.

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:36 pm Illy is one of the few that talks to me as if I were at a table with him. That's all I require to get my full attention.

And if Geezer and Jeep left, that's good news for a lot of us. They didn't contribute much other than name calling.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:05 am If they couldn't handle different views, that's on them for leaving voluntarily. Leaving voluntarily is not "censorship". Censorship is when you report someone for something false with the dream of getting them banned.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:12 am So i was sort of surprised to see on social media A LOT of black people were unhappy/turned off by the Harris pick....it obviously didnt seem like any would vote for trump because of it, but a portion seemed like it might be a reason not to vote at all.

Their reasons ranged from her history of putting a lot of black men in jail for crimes maybe not worthy of their sentence, and i guess (?) there was an instance where she ignored evidence that would have proven a black man innocent (not sure what instance that is or if someone here can elaborate), also her being married to a white man....cant make everyone happy, and obviously comments on social media are just "comments", although it is hard not to go down that rabbit hole occasionally and read them. The posts were from various black people. The one that stuck out most comments wise was rapper TI who praised her and got significant push back from his followers. I like his music so i follow him. He tries to be an activist and bring awarness to things, but at times fails miserably by sharing fake news because he doesnt always fact check the memes he likes to share. But that is neither here nor there for this instance.