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IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:31 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:18 pm Why do the anti-facists act like facists?

How so

https://reason.com/2017/08/22/choose-si ... -and-fasc/

Take a side? You bet. But Haider and company are trying to force a false choice. They'd have you believe that advocates of free speech, open society, tolerance, and peaceful political change have to pick between fascists with tiki torches and masked "anti-fascists" clashing with them in the streets. But advocates of a free, open, and liberal society are a side—the correct side—and the left-wing and right-wing thugs battling in the streets are nothing more than rival siblings from a dysfunctional illiberal family.

In June, James Hodgkinson opened fire on Republican members of Congress gathered for a baseball practice. That the supporter of Occupy Wall Street and former Bernie Sanders volunteer sent six people, including Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), to the hospital instead of the morgue was a consequence not of better intentions than his soulmate, Fields, but rather a result of fortunately bad aim.

Before that, left-wing protesters violently shut down a Middlebury College speech by Charles Murray, injuring Professor Alison Stanger in the process, rioted over a speech by professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and forced the cancellation of a Republican parade in Portland, Oregon, with promises that "the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads." They boast of their contempt for free speech.

Right-wing and left-wing mobs seem to have a few preferred Thunderdome venues where they set up regular fight-club dates. "For reasons political and geographic, Berkeley has become a particularly common battleground," reports the Los Angeles Times. "They will glom themselves onto a tax day rally, a Trump rally, but there is a subgroup of extremists on both sides who are angling for a street battle," said criminal sociologist Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:51 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:31 pm

How so

https://reason.com/2017/08/22/choose-si ... -and-fasc/

Take a side? You bet. But Haider and company are trying to force a false choice. They'd have you believe that advocates of free speech, open society, tolerance, and peaceful political change have to pick between fascists with tiki torches and masked "anti-fascists" clashing with them in the streets. But advocates of a free, open, and liberal society are a side—the correct side—and the left-wing and right-wing thugs battling in the streets are nothing more than rival siblings from a dysfunctional illiberal family.

In June, James Hodgkinson opened fire on Republican members of Congress gathered for a baseball practice. That the supporter of Occupy Wall Street and former Bernie Sanders volunteer sent six people, including Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), to the hospital instead of the morgue was a consequence not of better intentions than his soulmate, Fields, but rather a result of fortunately bad aim.

Before that, left-wing protesters violently shut down a Middlebury College speech by Charles Murray, injuring Professor Alison Stanger in the process, rioted over a speech by professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and forced the cancellation of a Republican parade in Portland, Oregon, with promises that "the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads." They boast of their contempt for free speech.

Right-wing and left-wing mobs seem to have a few preferred Thunderdome venues where they set up regular fight-club dates. "For reasons political and geographic, Berkeley has become a particularly common battleground," reports the Los Angeles Times. "They will glom themselves onto a tax day rally, a Trump rally, but there is a subgroup of extremists on both sides who are angling for a street battle," said criminal sociologist Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino.

in your own words, what does “antifa” do that is fascist

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:12 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:51 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:42 pm
https://reason.com/2017/08/22/choose-si ... -and-fasc/

Take a side? You bet. But Haider and company are trying to force a false choice. They'd have you believe that advocates of free speech, open society, tolerance, and peaceful political change have to pick between fascists with tiki torches and masked "anti-fascists" clashing with them in the streets. But advocates of a free, open, and liberal society are a side—the correct side—and the left-wing and right-wing thugs battling in the streets are nothing more than rival siblings from a dysfunctional illiberal family.

In June, James Hodgkinson opened fire on Republican members of Congress gathered for a baseball practice. That the supporter of Occupy Wall Street and former Bernie Sanders volunteer sent six people, including Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), to the hospital instead of the morgue was a consequence not of better intentions than his soulmate, Fields, but rather a result of fortunately bad aim.

Before that, left-wing protesters violently shut down a Middlebury College speech by Charles Murray, injuring Professor Alison Stanger in the process, rioted over a speech by professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and forced the cancellation of a Republican parade in Portland, Oregon, with promises that "the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads." They boast of their contempt for free speech.

Right-wing and left-wing mobs seem to have a few preferred Thunderdome venues where they set up regular fight-club dates. "For reasons political and geographic, Berkeley has become a particularly common battleground," reports the Los Angeles Times. "They will glom themselves onto a tax day rally, a Trump rally, but there is a subgroup of extremists on both sides who are angling for a street battle," said criminal sociologist Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino.

in your own words, what does “antifa” do that is fascist

Violence. Intolerance. Censorship.

Those are things facists do, or what facists act like.

Not to mention there is no facism in the United States. Not even remotely close. They aren't anti facists, they are anti trump.

Grandma wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:12 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:51 pm
in your own words, what does “antifa” do that is fascist

Violence. Intolerance. Censorship.

Those are things facists do, or what facists act like.

Not to mention there is no facism in the United States. Not even remotely close. They aren't anti facists, they are anti trump.

You say the things Antifa does that are fascist are are Violence. Intolerance. Censorship.
Then you say "there is no facism in the United States".

Ok, I criticized you for not understanding me.
Now it's fair if you criticize me for not understanding you.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:23 pm what do they do those things in the name of? to what ends are their actions directed?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:04 pm https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdxze/ ... c-got-ugly

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:18 pm Why do the anti-facists act like facists?

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:47 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:23 pm what do they do those things in the name of? to what ends are their actions directed?

To push their political agenda?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:28 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:47 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:23 pm what do they do those things in the name of? to what ends are their actions directed?

To push their political agenda?

extreme, far-right authoritarionism?

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:46 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:12 pm

Violence. Intolerance. Censorship.

Those are things facists do, or what facists act like.

Not to mention there is no facism in the United States. Not even remotely close. They aren't anti facists, they are anti trump.

You say the things Antifa does that are fascist are are Violence. Intolerance. Censorship.
Then you say "there is no facism in the United States".

Ok, I criticized you for not understanding me.
Now it's fair if you criticize me for not understanding you.

No, i said they "act like facists". Meaning they use similar tactics that facists have used throughout history.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:06 pm No it's not

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:38 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:06 pm No it's not

Mjl wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:42 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:38 pm

Ok, last try.

The thing that makes fascism fascism is a central, singular authoritarian head of state. People protesting, violent or peaceful, by their very nature are not in power, and are not central nor singular.

Your statement is equivalent to "Hitler loved his dog, and mjl loves his dog, therefore mjl is acting like Hitler".