Kansas Crimson

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:01 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:55 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:25 am And who knows what we’ve got in JCL.

Dude’s got lots of D1 experience, including in this very conference, and is also like 32 years old

Keep forgetting about this guy. That's a house money player. Whatever we get out of him, great. The D-2 kid is no different.

Cam looks good in the training videos I have seen. I won't put much stock in those, but he's smooth/skilled and can shoot. He's also a tank it looks like.

The tank part makes me think he won't get more than 1 good shot off per game.

If Cam can hold his ground against other team’s second unit better than Mitch, instant upgrade.

And I think his jumper will have growing pains, but he also shot 45% from deep on 110 attempts last year.

Even if he’s not chucking, just the fact he can could pull the other team’s big outta the paint and free up space for everybody else

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:03 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:01 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:55 am

Keep forgetting about this guy. That's a house money player. Whatever we get out of him, great. The D-2 kid is no different.

Cam looks good in the training videos I have seen. I won't put much stock in those, but he's smooth/skilled and can shoot. He's also a tank it looks like.

The tank part makes me think he won't get more than 1 good shot off per game.

I think his shots will come off pick and rolls where he fades out instead of rolling and can shoot over the switching guard. Hes not gonna create his own shots often i dont imagine.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:04 amIf Cam can hold his ground against other team’s second unit better than Mitch, instant upgrade.

That's all I care about. If he boxes out and doesn't completely fuck up on defense, great, play him over Mitch if he's better at that.

There's just not a doubt in my mind that Mitch would have also been a D-2 All-American last year, so it just seems like kind of a wash unless this guy can truly stroke 3's at 50% and get his shots off.

You guys think we’ll see any more Jalen at the 5?

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:05 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:03 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:01 am
Cam looks good in the training videos I have seen. I won't put much stock in those, but he's smooth/skilled and can shoot. He's also a tank it looks like.

The tank part makes me think he won't get more than 1 good shot off per game.

I think his shots will come off pick and rolls where he fades out instead of rolling and can shoot over the switching guard. Hes not gonna create his own shots often i dont imagine.

It will be pick and pop, but even more common I think will be the trailer three. I'm not sure he can handle the close out, though. It's just a lot faster game.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:09 am You guys think we’ll see any more Jalen at the 5?

No and thank god. That was just a band aid.

CB playing the 5 against a top 5 draft pick center--in hindsight, that ass whipping was coming.

Sure is nice to talk about Kansas basketball...

Good start to the weekend. Ready for the season to start (fingers crossed).

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:11 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:09 am You guys think we’ll see any more Jalen at the 5?

No and thank god. That was just a band aid.

CB playing the 5 against a top 5 draft pick center--in hindsight, that ass whipping was coming.

But doesn’t that all depend on Cam?

Or more generally, some better option as a backup 5?

We had Mitch all last year, and still played Jalen as the biggest guy on the floor

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:16 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:11 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:09 am You guys think we’ll see any more Jalen at the 5?

No and thank god. That was just a band aid.

CB playing the 5 against a top 5 draft pick center--in hindsight, that ass whipping was coming.

But doesn’t that all depend on Cam?

Or more generally, some better option as a backup 5?

I am high on Clemence playing as a freshman. I think he's our most ready guy.

Clemence has the height - not sure about the bulk.
But Mitch didn't have the bulk and played as DMac's backup.

"still played Jalen as the biggest guy on the floor"

wut?
Biggest guy is not simply rebounding numbers ( but Jalen was a hell of a rebounder ).

You think? (Re: Clemence) Will the much faster game not be even more apparent for a true freshman?

Dude averaged 10 and 5 as a HS senior in bumfuck western KS

Compared to Cam who averaged 24 and 9 on a bumfuck MO D2 team

Perhaps also worth mentioning is Cam’s got 20+ pounds on the kid

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:18 am Clemence has the height - not sure about the bulk.
But Mitch didn't have the bulk and played as DMac's backup.

Purely out of necessity, and with no better options.

And even then, out of necessity (cuz Mitch was a subpar backup), we were dabbling with Jalen at the 5 - yes, as the biggest tallest dude on the floor…for our team, at least

Maybe we start giving guys nights off like in the nba for rest.

But Jalen at the 5 was intriguing just cuz how often can a 5 man pull their guy out to the perimeter and take them off the dribble

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:23 am You think? (Re: Clemence) Will the much faster game not be even more apparent for a true freshman?

Dude averaged 10 and 5 as a HS senior in bumfuck western KS

Compared to Cam who averaged 24 and 9 on a bumfuck MO D2 team

Perhaps also worth mentioning is Cam’s got 20+ pounds on the kid

I think with the 3 of them, we won't have to play Jalen at the 5.

The stats comparison is dismissing a ton of different caveats. Clemence is a pro prospect that has only played against other pro prospects the last 4 years. Cam's a different story all the way around.

I guess I didn’t realize there were that many pro prospects in suburban Wichita

But yea, who knows with a D2 player

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 am But Jalen at the 5 was intriguing just cuz how often can a 5 man pull their guy out to the perimeter and take them off the dribble

There's basically nothing about last season's offense that I want to relive, and Jalen hit the freshman wall faster than anyone not named Russell Robinson.

But, while it's easy to drag the players, it was just a really poor roster construction and they never got anything consistently going. I wonder how much of it was putting too many eggs in the Cade Cunningham basket and striking out.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 am But Jalen at the 5 was intriguing just cuz how often can a 5 man pull their guy out to the perimeter and take them off the dribble

Well sure, but then get abused on the other end on the block.