Kansas Crimson

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:51 pm fish needs no assistance in putting clown shoes on randy

actually, randy does that pretty well on his own

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:54 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:51 pm fish needs no assistance in putting clown shoes on randy

actually, randy does that pretty well on his own

I just want to talk about real, actual, specific things. Not broad, shadowy, goal-post-movey hypotheticals.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:45 pm So…you are as good at identifying a single, specific mandate, as you are at describing the application of the First Amendment to Twitter, or describing the actual rights conferred by the Second Amendment.

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:08 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:45 pm So…you are as good at identifying a single, specific mandate, as you are at describing the application of the First Amendment to Twitter, or describing the actual rights conferred by the Second Amendment.

Lets say you are from kansas? Governor Kelly issued mask mandates.

https://apnews.com/article/government-a ... fc6aa4f4fb

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:16 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:08 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:45 pm So…you are as good at identifying a single, specific mandate, as you are at describing the application of the First Amendment to Twitter, or describing the actual rights conferred by the Second Amendment.

Lets say you are from kansas? Governor Kelly issued mask mandates.

https://apnews.com/article/government-a ... fc6aa4f4fb

I would say that a mandate is a compulsory order to do something, as opposed to a condition for accessing something.

But let’s say that this was in fact a mandate. It was undertaken at the state level, and applied to “state workers and state buildings in those (84) affected counties, indoors where social distancing isn’t possible, and in public spaces such as hallways and bathrooms.”

Sort of how federalism is intended to work?

When Ron DeSantis defended Daniel Penny, the former Marine accused of killing a man suffering from mental illness on a New York City subway, the Florida governor didn’t just laud Penny as a hero. He also cast the law enforcement apparatus prosecuting Penny as presumptively illegitimate.

In so doing, DeSantis joined many on the right seeking to transform Penny into a martyr being punished by the “deep state” for supposedly defending civil order. But this is particularly sobering coming from DeSantis; it suggests the two leading contenders for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination — DeSantis and former president Donald Trump — are open celebrators of vigilante “justice."

[…]

The right in recent years has repeatedly portrayed vigilantes as heroic, and victims as deserving of death. Fox News valorized Edward Gallagher, the Navy SEAL accused by members of his own unit of killing multiple unarmed civilians, and Trump pardoned him. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) vowed to pardon a man convicted for the 2020 murder of a Black Lives Matter protester; the killer had texted about his intent to kill.

And in 2020, Kyle Rittenhouse descended on urban disorder in Wisconsin with an AR-15-style rifle and killed two protesters. Conservatives could have argued that Rittenhouse shouldn’t have gone there but ultimately acted in self-defense, as a jury found. Instead, they celebrated him because he killed people. As Tucker Carlson enthused, “Rittenhouse went to Kenosha to clean up the filth.”

For some on the right, it is self-evident that Neely was mere “filth” that called for a “clean up." To them, the real criminals are the administrators of the justice system who are pursuing the superfluous exercise of determining whether violently ending his life was justified. As Tanenhaus bluntly concluded of the right’s campaign: “We’re really talking about lawlessness.”

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:33 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:16 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:08 pm

Lets say you are from kansas? Governor Kelly issued mask mandates.

https://apnews.com/article/government-a ... fc6aa4f4fb

I would say that a mandate is a compulsory order to do something, as opposed to a condition for accessing something.

But let’s say that this was in fact a mandate. It was undertaken at the state level, and applied to “state workers and state buildings in those (84) affected counties, indoors where social distancing isn’t possible, and in public spaces such as hallways and bathrooms.”

Sort of how federalism is intended to work?

I would say you should just take the L on this one.

Heres the dictionary definition
Mandate: an official order or commission to do something

There were thousands of mandates literally everywhere in this country. State, city, county level. Even business had mandates specific to their employees or customers

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:35 pm randy trying to pull out the dictionary is LITERALLY the funniest thing i’ve seen today

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:46 pm They called them mandates. The people issuing them LITERALLY used the word "mandate"

I think what you are trying to say is the mandates were illegal

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:48 pm Which is ironic coming from you, because yes, the mandates were unconstitutional. Which is why so many of us were against them. Yet a lot of you argued for years that they were necessary, but here you are, now using that to deny that they happened

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:51 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:46 pm They called them mandates. The people issuing them LITERALLY used the word "mandate"

I think what you are trying to say is the mandates were illegal

You gave one example and then ran away and hid from discussing it.

The overall point here is that you have been tricked into thinking something (a comprehensive vaccine or mask mandate) existed, that simply did not.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:39 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:33 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:16 pm

I would say that a mandate is a compulsory order to do something, as opposed to a condition for accessing something.

But let’s say that this was in fact a mandate. It was undertaken at the state level, and applied to “state workers and state buildings in those (84) affected counties, indoors where social distancing isn’t possible, and in public spaces such as hallways and bathrooms.”

Sort of how federalism is intended to work?

I would say you should just take the L on this one.

Heres the dictionary definition
Mandate: an official order or commission to do something

There were thousands of mandates literally everywhere in this country. State, city, county level. Even business had mandates specific to their employees or customers

But that’s the point. You will have a VERY hard time finding actual MANDATES. Actual “official orders … to do something.”

And where you do find them, they’ll either be (1) in the federal government’s capacity as an employer or landlord, or (2) at the state/local level (where most conservatives would argue, is the appropriate place for “mandates”, if any.).

There’s no such thing as a MANDATE by a business.