Re: Today In: FAFO
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:12 pm
Vivek seems nice but his policies are ridiculous.
Vivek seems nice but his policies are ridiculous.
I think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
When I see விவேக் I’m reminded of Harold from the Monty Python flying sheep sketch. He’s the one who has convinced sheep that they are birds.
Wut? A big part of his whole thing is doublespeak.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 amI think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
Haven't found that to be true. He says "this is the problem and here is the solution, as I see it."jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:45 amWut? A big part of his whole thing is doublespeak.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 amI think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
Ok.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:33 amHaven't found that to be true. He says "this is the problem and here is the solution, as I see it."jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:45 amWut? A big part of his whole thing is doublespeak.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 am
I think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
I think most conservatives would agree that climate change is legitimate, but the ways that it is being used to scare and manipulate people (the agenda) is a hoax.jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:37 amOk.
But he says things all the time like referring to the “climate change agenda hoax”.
The very purpose of that phrasing is so that climate change deniers can hear an ally, but he can claim (in a manner that is technically true) to mainstream media that he said the agenda is a hoax, not climate change itself. But of course the climate change deniers largely will not see that MSM clarification (because they distrust MSM).
That simply IS doublespeak. And he does this with all sorts of things.
Maybe so. But no R can afford to lose a single vote Trump got in 2020. And that very much includes a meaningful number of people who do believe climate change itself - not the agenda - is a hoax.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:45 amI think most conservatives would agree that climate change is legitimate, but the ways that it is being used to scare and manipulate people (the agenda) is a hoax.jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:37 amOk.
But he says things all the time like referring to the “climate change agenda hoax”.
The very purpose of that phrasing is so that climate change deniers can hear an ally, but he can claim (in a manner that is technically true) to mainstream media that he said the agenda is a hoax, not climate change itself. But of course the climate change deniers largely will not see that MSM clarification (because they distrust MSM).
That simply IS doublespeak. And he does this with all sorts of things.
I see what you're saying. I guess, to me, that's just politics. In my mind, doublespeak is things like Nancy Pelosi saying "We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it."jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:52 amMaybe so. But no R can afford to lose a single vote Trump got in 2020. And that very much includes a meaningful number of people who do believe climate change itself - not the agenda - is a hoax.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:45 amI think most conservatives would agree that climate change is legitimate, but the ways that it is being used to scare and manipulate people (the agenda) is a hoax.jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:37 am
Ok.
But he says things all the time like referring to the “climate change agenda hoax”.
The very purpose of that phrasing is so that climate change deniers can hear an ally, but he can claim (in a manner that is technically true) to mainstream media that he said the agenda is a hoax, not climate change itself. But of course the climate change deniers largely will not see that MSM clarification (because they distrust MSM).
That simply IS doublespeak. And he does this with all sorts of things.
And Vivek knows that, so what he said was carefully-crafted doublespeak.
This is a core part of his playbook. And that’s…fine. It’s fine. But don’t tell me he’s a straight shooter who doesn’t do this!
Until you actually look at what he wants to do, then you realize he is ridiculous.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 amI think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
As if what is happening now isn’t ridiculous? Hope is powerful medicine.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:36 pmUntil you actually look at what he wants to do, then you realize he is ridiculous.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 amI think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
You overdramatize the Democratic failures and minimize the Trump Party's criminal behavior so I can see why you think they are in some way comparable. It's embarrassing what you're trying to pull off right out in the open. We all see it for what it is. You can keep shucking this same corny BS that reads like the cast of Jersey Shore trying to recreate The Godfather and keep trying to convince yourself that "it's basically the same" but you're lying to yourself over and over and you know it.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:31 pmAs if what is happening now isn’t ridiculous? Hope is powerful medicine.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:36 pmUntil you actually look at what he wants to do, then you realize he is ridiculous.JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:07 am
I think his appeal lies in the fact that the current system is ridiculous, so anything that is the opposite of it seems preferable. Rather than equivocating and using doublespeak, he is straightforward and says "This is what needs to happen." For people who are struggling and feeling lost, that is reassuring.
If you can’t see the shit show we are living in the middle of, then there’s not much I can do to help you.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:08 pmYou overdramatize the Democratic failures and minimize the Trump Party's criminal behavior so I can see why you think they are in some way comparable. It's embarrassing what you're trying to pull off right out in the open. We all see it for what it is. You can keep shucking this same corny BS that reads like the cast of Jersey Shore trying to recreate The Godfather and keep trying to convince yourself that "it's basically the same" but you're lying to yourself over and over and you know it.
Don't kid yourself. Sadly, if there's anything we should have learned by now, it's that Psych lacks the personal insight that would require.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:08 pmYou overdramatize the Democratic failures and minimize the Trump Party's criminal behavior so I can see why you think they are in some way comparable. It's embarrassing what you're trying to pull off right out in the open. We all see it for what it is. You can keep shucking this same corny BS that reads like the cast of Jersey Shore trying to recreate The Godfather and keep trying to convince yourself that "it's basically the same" but you're lying to yourself over and over and you know it.
If you can’t see the shit show we are living in the middle of, then there’s not much I can do to help you.Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:46 pmDon't kid yourself. Sadly, if there's anything we should have learned by now, it's that Psych lacks the personal insight that would require.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:08 pmYou overdramatize the Democratic failures and minimize the Trump Party's criminal behavior so I can see why you think they are in some way comparable. It's embarrassing what you're trying to pull off right out in the open. We all see it for what it is. You can keep shucking this same corny BS that reads like the cast of Jersey Shore trying to recreate The Godfather and keep trying to convince yourself that "it's basically the same" but you're lying to yourself over and over and you know it.