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Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:22 am
by DeletedUser
Bryson Tucker still uncommitted as a top 30 guy. SF

Khani Rooths top 35. PF.

We should be able to get anyone we want with what we have to offer.

And then the following year I want Xavion Stanton. C.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:23 am
by twocoach
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:19 am
DeletedUser wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:18 am
mjl2 wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:17 am

That lineup can't defend
Or create enough space to shoot.
or give Juan any help being the ball up


not to mention if "transfer portal shooter" is Nicolas 2.0 that lineup is potentially, decently worse than this years.
Can a shooter not also dribble? Can McNeeley not do what McCullar and Adams did to "help bring the ball up"?

I think "can help bring the ball up" is a skill that way more people have than you seem to think. It's not that unique a skill as we saw this season.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:24 am
by TDub
DeletedUser wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:22 am Bryson Tucker still uncommitted as a top 30 guy. SF

Khani Rooths top 35. PF.

We should be able to get anyone we want with what we have to offer.

And then the following year I want Xavion Stanton. C.
depends, the swoosh still holds sway

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:26 am
by mjl2
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:21 am
mjl2 wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:17 am
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:14 am What I'd like to see:
Starters:

Hunter Dickinson
Flory Bidunga
Liam McNeeley
Transfer Portal Shooter
Dajuan Harris

Bench Bigs:
KJ Adams
Zach Clemence

Bench Guards/Wings:
One more transfer shooter
Elmarko Jackson
Jamari McDowell
Labaron Philon
Rakease Passmore
I think we're using the last ncaa penalty scholarship here
That lineup can't defend
That lineup has three players in it who you have never seen play defense once in your life, including one player who hasn't even been identified by name yet so I am not sure how you come to that conclusion.
Exactly

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:26 am
by TDub
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:23 am
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:19 am
DeletedUser wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:18 am
Or create enough space to shoot.
or give Juan any help being the ball up


not to mention if "transfer portal shooter" is Nicolas 2.0 that lineup is potentially, decently worse than this years.
Can a shooter not also dribble? Can McNeeley not do what McCullar and Adams did to "help bring the ball up"?

I think "can help bring the ball up" is a skill that way more people have than you seem to think. It's not that unique a skill as we saw this season.
not a ton of 6'9 guys are great dribbling under pressure, there is a reason Magic was special. We saw a tin of unforced turnovers by guys dribbling the ball up and making distribution decisions this year....clearly it's a skill that isn't just as throwaway "everyone can do it" as you're making it sound.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:34 am
by twocoach
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:26 am
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:23 am
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:19 am

or give Juan any help being the ball up


not to mention if "transfer portal shooter" is Nicolas 2.0 that lineup is potentially, decently worse than this years.
Can a shooter not also dribble? Can McNeeley not do what McCullar and Adams did to "help bring the ball up"?

I think "can help bring the ball up" is a skill that way more people have than you seem to think. It's not that unique a skill as we saw this season.
not a ton of 6'9 guys are great dribbling under pressure, there is a reason Magic was special. We saw a tin of unforced turnovers by guys dribbling the ball up and making distribution decisions this year....clearly it's a skill that isn't just as throwaway "everyone can do it" as you're making it sound.
I think maybe the Samford game is making this seem like a bigger problem than it was. I don't recall ever even thinking about it as a problem before the Samford game, especially when McCullar was still playing.

Here's the scouting report on McNeeley. He's 6'6"/6'7". Hopefully that helps you feel like he might be able to help out.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/scoutin ... -mcneeley/

Liam McNeeley has one of the best combinations of skill and basketball acumen in the national class. He came up the ranks known as a shooter – and for good reason as he has clean mechanics, a compact release, and shot over 40% from behind the three-point line in both the NIBC and EYBL seasons – but he’s far more versatile than just a specialist. He’s particularly adept at coming off screens, making instinctual reads, and then attacking defenders while they are on the move. That can mean movement threes, but it can also mean curls, dribble penetration, and an ability to get downhill at times.

McNeeley has a high natural feel for the game and is a good passer who can also facilitate for others around him. In fact, Montverde frequently made him the featured player of their half-court offense during his junior season and relied on his ability to make decisions with the ball in his hands, not necessarily as a primary ball-handler, but as the first domino in many of their actions. Physically, he’s not especially long or athletic, but he has legit size at over 6-foot-7 with his shoes on, a sturdy base, and increasingly strong and cut upper body. He’s made strides being able to stay in front of more athletic wings on the defensive end, in large part because he’s aware enough to be in the right spots and take the right angles.

Overall, McNeeley may not have the ideal physical measurables of a prototypical five-star prospect, but he is one of the most consistently productive and reliable basketball players in the class.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:37 am
by TDub
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:34 am
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:26 am
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:23 am
Can a shooter not also dribble? Can McNeeley not do what McCullar and Adams did to "help bring the ball up"?

I think "can help bring the ball up" is a skill that way more people have than you seem to think. It's not that unique a skill as we saw this season.
not a ton of 6'9 guys are great dribbling under pressure, there is a reason Magic was special. We saw a tin of unforced turnovers by guys dribbling the ball up and making distribution decisions this year....clearly it's a skill that isn't just as throwaway "everyone can do it" as you're making it sound.
I think maybe the Samford game is making this seem like a bigger problem than it was. I don't recall ever even thinking about it as a problem before the Samford game, especially when McCullar was still playing.

Here's the scouting report on McNeeley. He's 6'6"/6'7". Hopefully that helps you feel like he might be able to help out.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/scoutin ... -mcneeley/

Liam McNeeley has one of the best combinations of skill and basketball acumen in the national class. He came up the ranks known as a shooter – and for good reason as he has clean mechanics, a compact release, and shot over 40% from behind the three-point line in both the NIBC and EYBL seasons – but he’s far more versatile than just a specialist. He’s particularly adept at coming off screens, making instinctual reads, and then attacking defenders while they are on the move. That can mean movement threes, but it can also mean curls, dribble penetration, and an ability to get downhill at times.

McNeeley has a high natural feel for the game and is a good passer who can also facilitate for others around him. In fact, Montverde frequently made him the featured player of their half-court offense during his junior season and relied on his ability to make decisions with the ball in his hands, not necessarily as a primary ball-handler, but as the first domino in many of their actions. Physically, he’s not especially long or athletic, but he has legit size at over 6-foot-7 with his shoes on, a sturdy base, and increasingly strong and cut upper body. He’s made strides being able to stay in front of more athletic wings on the defensive end, in large part because he’s aware enough to be in the right spots and take the right angles.

Overall, McNeeley may not have the ideal physical measurables of a prototypical five-star prospect, but he is one of the most consistently productive and reliable basketball players in the class.
unforced turnovers by non ball handlers having to handle the ball too much, were an issue all conference season.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:37 am
by twocoach
Let's see what everyone else's list of what they'd like to see KU do with their 13 scholarships.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:37 am
by TDub
and I like McNeeleys report....but I liked Elmarkos report last year too

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:57 am
by DeletedUser
twocoach wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:37 am Let's see what everyone else's list of what they'd like to see KU do with their 13 scholarships.
1. DH
2. Kj
3. Elmarko Jackson
4. Labaron Philon
5. Rakeese Passmore
6. Flory Bidunga
7. Zach Clemence
8. Liam McNeeley (shooter)
9. Bryson Tucker (SF)
10. Cliff Omoruyi (shot blocking Center transfer from Rutgers...avg 10pt 8reb 3blk this year).
11. Khani Rooths. 6'8 PF freshman. Decommitted from Michigan a few days ago.
12. Andrej Stojakovic. Transfer from Stanford. Scorer. 3yrs remaining. Former top 30 recruit. Some of Peja.
13. Punishment scholly.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:58 am
by TDub
you don't want Furphy back?

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:59 am
by DeletedUser
TDub wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:58 am you don't want Furphy back?
Sure. But I don't think it'll happen.

If he comes back then give him Elmarko's scholly.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:11 am
by DeletedUser
Omoruyi holds down the 5 while Bidunga settles in. Both defensive shot blockers.

Philon gets a 1 year crash course behind DH.

McNeeley and Stojakovic as shooters and potential multi year players.

Kj starts because we are loyal and he does some things very well....but we've got the future with Rooths and Tucker.

Passmore gives us athletic depth.

Hopefully Elmarko (or Delmario as some call him) and Clemence enjoy cheering from the bench and have some cool buckets in blowouts.

It creates a core than can stay together for multiple years. While also having multiple vets. We won't be a 1 seed or win the big 12 next year, but sets us up for huge classes the following 2 years around an established core as DH and Kj ride off into the sunset.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:33 am
by AlOerter
Do we get McNeeley if Furphy returns?

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:34 am
by ousdahl
all I know is, if we're gonna roll with another year of Hunter/KJ/Dajuan as the big pieces, and expect newcomers to be the ones to make Hunter/KJ/Dajuan look like they suck less than they did this year, well...is it football season yet?

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:36 am
by AlOerter
Interesting list of portal players KU has had contact with. Some are "no thanks and some are "yes please".

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:40 am
by ousdahl
I want us to finally score that diamond in the rough transfer...the archetypal Timberlake or Yesufu or whoever but instead of getting here and looking like they're in over their head they end up actually balling out.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:48 am
by DeletedUser
AlOerter wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:33 am Do we get McNeeley if Furphy returns?
In theory they should work fine together, but iirc I think part of his decommitment from Indiana was because a few of their key seniors announced at senior night they were coming back for another year.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:48 am
by MICHHAWK
timberlake was pretty popular in the portal last year. i wonder how much he cost us.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:50 am
by MICHHAWK
im pretty thrifty. so whatever we paid. it was too much.