Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:19 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:06 pm nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

I have no clue what you would base such a stupid comment on.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:40 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:37 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:18 pm

In other words you have no fucking clue and cannot point to a single specific GOP policy that would address any of the things I mentioned. Which means we circle back to being filled with bad info vs. real info.

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

They did! What do you think the Affordable Care Act is intended to achieve?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:15 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:06 pm nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

Finger, meet pulse.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.

It is true that a majority prefer this being accomplished through private insurance. But it is simply fiction to say that "nobody supports universal health care" - as with many things, there is a clear majority in support of it, and the question is how to accomplish it.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:33 pm man, you guys would be a lot easier to take seriously if you didn't so quickly move to condescension.

I don't mean that in a "me trying to play the victim" kinda way, but more in a "seems like a desperate move by someone running out of moves to make" kinda way. And frankly, I'd rather not have to wade through that shit to figure out your points, which are often otherwise insightful.

I can applaud the Harris initiative to help with at-home care, and any initiate that helps to address the issue of people in the otherwise-wealthiest country ever having to "essentially impoverish themselves" just for healthcare.

And this at-home care initiative helps 14.7 million, which is a lot of people. But, it's still also, like I said, kinda specific, considering the issue of healthcare as a whole actually affects every single American.

As for where I get my news from, boy is your mind gonna be blown when you finally realize I get it from the exact same places you do.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:45 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:15 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:06 pm nobody supports universal health care. on either side of the aisle.

Finger, meet pulse.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.

It is true that a majority prefer this being accomplished through private insurance. But it is simply fiction to say that "nobody supports universal health care" - as with many things, there is a clear majority in support of it, and the question is how to accomplish it.

maybe like...campaign on it as part of your presidential platform?

with the key word being UNIVERSAL.

Since that specific at-home care demographic apparently came up short.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:45 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:40 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:37 pm

most of your previous questions were about "uneducated GOP voters." I never said there WERE any GOP policies that would address any of the things you mentioned.

As for one of the things you mentioned, well, if dems DO support universal healthcare, then why didn't they run on that?

They did! What do you think the Affordable Care Act is intended to achieve?

umm

a handout to the insurance companies, nothing more?

Just like DCHawk1 tried to tell you.

and even if the Affordable Care Act really should be taken at face value and really was an act toward affordable care, it was 1. 14 years and 4 administrations ago, and 2. seemed to make healthcare as a whole only cost more.

so either way, maybe it's not wise for Dems to keep tryna hang their hat on it.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:49 pm
I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:48 pm Ous, you are out here doing perfect is the enemy of the good shit. All the while accusing Dems of not doing enough navel-gazing.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:49 pm
I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:50 am Ds are in a very tough position.

It must be accepted as fact that, since vibes > facts at the ballot box, we can expect the same to be true if and when Trump underdelivers on promises, or if and when delivering on promises has (the totally foreseeable) disastrous effects.

For example, Trump is inheriting a great economy, and will claim credit for it, and will likely crash it into a ditch, and will blame the opposition for the crash.

How do we get to a place where at least some meaningful portion of Trump supporters see through that blame for the bullshit that it is?

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:04 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:50 am Ds are in a very tough position.

It must be accepted as fact that, since vibes > facts at the ballot box, we can expect the same to be true if and when Trump underdelivers on promises, or if and when delivering on promises has (the totally foreseeable) disastrous effects.

For example, Trump is inheriting a great economy, and will claim credit for it, and will likely crash it into a ditch, and will blame the opposition for the crash.

How do we get to a place where at least some meaningful portion of Trump supporters see through that blame for the bullshit that it is?

Dems need to stop trying to convince Republicans to like them and focus on getting Democrats off their asses to vote. Republicans aren't going to listen to Dems or believe them even if they are the better choice for them so stop wasting so much time trying.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:42 pm Meanwhile, we’re making a veteran-grifting, West Bank- and Gaza-annexation-supporting Fox News chud the Secretary of Defense.

Good job, good effort, voters.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:24 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:49 pm
I saw Universal Healthcare and the difference ebetween the two parties stances on it mentioned in dozens upon dozens of campaign ads. It was talked about in the debate. It was talked about in speeches.

you did?? Allsome!!!!

On, presumably, one of the two (presumably major) party stances, as you mention.

would kindly be willing to provide a reliable source to as much, please?

If you're able to provide dozens upon dozens of reliably sourced examples (of Universal Healthcare in either major party's stances), then that'd be great. And better yet for you, it would make me look like I really am the idiot you say I am!

If you can provide at least one such reliable source of "universal healthcare" on either of the two major party's stances, and particularly in a campaign ad, that would still be very impressive.

But, since you struggle with civility around here, and since I don't mean to play the victim but just frankly find the lack of civility to be annoying as fuck...let's make this interesting!

If you are NOT able to provide, in a timely manner, one single reliably-sourced example of Universal Healthcare in either of the two major party stances, then I will be reporting your post, in according with the new board administrative policy of cracking down on "clearly attempting to be poised as a factual statement...but has the complete opposite of validity."

Your move!

It is quite literally right on the Democratic Party's website.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/pa ... alth-care/