Kansas Crimson

We wouldnt have made the final four with tyrel reed last year and would have a couple more losses this season but OK.

He's better than sleeves.

Look at the last games of tyrel reeds college career and tell me he helped Kansas. He and sleeves shot us out of the vcu game.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm Look at the last games of tyrel reeds college career and tell me he helped Kansas. He and sleeves shot us out of the vcu game.

Maybe now is not the best time to paint a guy's career (or even his senior season!) based on the last game he played in a KU uniform.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:00 pm We wouldnt have made the final four with tyrel reed last year and would have a couple more losses this season but OK.

LOL

how on earth can you make statements like that with a straight face?

We absolutely could have made the final 4 last year with a backcourt of Graham Reed Newman and Svi.

You have spent so much time developing crimscore that it's totally warped your brain into thinking that a basketball players ability can be measured by some weird formula that only accounts for pts rebs and assists.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:16 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm Look at the last games of tyrel reeds college career and tell me he helped Kansas. He and sleeves shot us out of the vcu game.

Maybe now is not the best time to paint a guy's career (or even his senior season!) based on the last game he played in a KU uniform.

LOL

No shit.

How many times did the team have to have meetings to discuss Reeds attitude?

Isn't reed 1 of the winningest Jayhawks of all time? I'd rather have him than Vick. I don't care what the crimscore totals are.

There's been over 100 players to play under Self at Kansas.
13 have scored 1,000 points in their career.
Vick sucks.

I’m late to this party cuz I was too busy catching a fucking steelhead, but lots of good arguments here.

IMHO the whole “leave of absence” thing is little more than a nice move by Self for all parties to save face.

Vick was held to particularly high expectations to regain the privilege of playing Kansas basketball. And in all likelihood, he fucked it up.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing as a fan to be upset with a player who did fuck up such a conditional last chance, nor do I think it’s necessarily a bad thing for a fan to still support such a player.

The only thing I think is legit egregious in this thread is, either of those honkey tonk Tylers over Lagerald?

To anyone who is even considering an argument otherwise, just take it straight to the qt thread, bofh will be waiting.

There's been around 190 scholarship seasons under Bill Self.
In 20 of those seasons did a scholarship player average more than 14 PPG ( Vick was one of them, of fifteen players, there were repeat players like Collins and Simien and Langford ).
In 34 of those seasons did a scholarship player average more than 12 PPG ( Vick was two of them ).
I know the common argument will be 'but but its not all about box scores'.

But points is literally the first thing that is shown in said box score.
And it's not on accident.

I would also mention Vick's three point percentage for his career is 9th-10th all time under Self ( kinda depending on your cut off - mine is 6 or 7 PPG or more ).
And his three point percentage this year and last year rank top 8 all time under Self.
( not counting TRobs and Jeff Witheys )

So to say he was a below average scholarship player, or hurt us more than helped us compared to the average scholarship basketball player, is ignoring any and all common sense.

Bill Self's Kansas teams have averaged around 78 PPG while he's been at KU.
If there's been 12 or so scholarship players on each team that means the average scholly player averages 6.5 PPG ( and likely less because you aren't accounting for walk ons ).

Vick averaged less than that once, his freshman year.
He averaged 9.4 PPG in his career.

We got pdub melting down about Vick. Again. What a funny ending to a nice 3 day weekend!

Yes, because providing evidence, actual numbers, on a message board, that is largely based on debate, is melting down.
You saying I ( or others who simply converse with you ) am melting down is very much your M.O. on this board and the board before.
It is the literal reason you were banned from dotnet.

That is not the literal reason I was banned.

I was banned because I didn't hate Trump up to the standards Vega desired.

Also, I'm just teasing you. You dish out plenty of snarky comments my way. Don't get all sensitive because you can't convince everyone how great Vick is.

Jesus Illy, if you’re gonna keep melting down about not melting own about Trump then at least take it to the politics bored.

Illy saying i'm melting down is like Bill Cosby accusing Aziz Ansari of sexual misconduct.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:26 pm There's been over 100 players to play under Self at Kansas.
13 have scored 1,000 points in their career.
Vick sucks.

maybe if you say it one more time, you’ll change everyone’s mind

Vick sucks

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:52 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:26 pm There's been over 100 players to play under Self at Kansas.
13 have scored 1,000 points in their career.
Vick sucks.

maybe if you say it one more time, you’ll change everyone’s mind

Got eeeeeem!

You can't ignore that Vick flaked out and quit on his team midseason. Now, maybe it's a serious family issue, but I think we'd hear about it if it were, so he's either left on his own or was asked to leave for issues he's responsible for. That's going to be a major part of his legacy, and is among the worst final acts of any KU player. And for sure should be a major factor against him when we're talking about where he sits in the hierarchy of players.

That doesn't erase all the shit he accomplished in his time here. The game winners, the 30 point nights, the 360 dunk, the alley-oops, the crazy 3's, etc. I mean, he doesn't suck. But with every game he misses for his leave of absence his standing takes a pretty large hit. Quitting on your team (or being forced out for shit you did) is about the worst thing you can do.

It’s probably the worst SENIOR(!!!) season under self.