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Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:28 am
by jfish26
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:35 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:58 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:43 pm
but they are both a threat, which is the problem
unless you’re a criminal, you shouldn’t see the cops as a threat...jmo
Good cops are not a threat and are not a problem. The "bad" cops are the problem.
duh?
I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2)
substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.
A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.
* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:38 am
by ousdahl
Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:40 am
by ousdahl
Cuz if you add up all the police budgets across Merica, it balances out to equal like the third biggest military budget in the world.
Maybe instead of paramilitary aggression against our citizens, we could do something that works for us instead?
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:44 am
by Deleted User 880
I agree we should try and do something that works - for EVERYONE.
Perhaps if a large percentage of our citizens chose to be law abiding (regardless if the laws suck or not) instead of asshole criminals, maybe our police forces wouldn't feel the need to have "paramilitary aggression" at the rate they do.
There are parts of our country that are literal war zones and often it's the police who are also considered the enemy.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:57 am
by Deleted User 89
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:04 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:36 am
how’s your post count looking, illy?
Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.
and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:59 am
by Deleted User 863
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:57 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:04 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:36 am
how’s your post count looking, illy?
Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.
and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm
You're #LovedByAll
Good for you, bud!
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
by MICHHAWK
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:38 am
Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:03 am
by MICHHAWK
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:57 am
and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm
i look forward to your exercising of your superiority. i need it.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:11 am
by Deleted User 863
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:38 am
Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Ousdahl isn't sure, but whatever the solution he'll inevitably dislike it.
(teasing you Ous)
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am
by ousdahl
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:38 am
Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Refer back to fish’s post.
It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.
And/or put some of that weapons budget toward police payroll budgets, to attract more qualified cops that are gonna be more professional about their jobs.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:19 am
by ousdahl
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:21 am
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:28 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:35 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:58 pm
Good cops are not a threat and are not a problem. The "bad" cops are the problem.
duh?
I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2)
substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.
A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.
* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.
And more to Trad's point, we have to stop the practice of the good cops defending to the end the bad cops
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:21 am
by Cascadia
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:57 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:04 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:36 am
how’s your post count looking, illy?
Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.
and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm
Illy's in the middle of a full blown, multiple thread meltdown. I'm sure he will tucker himself out soon.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am
by MICHHAWK
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:38 am
Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Refer back to fish’s post.
It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.
so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:24 am
by ousdahl
I wonder when the last time the cops in south central did anything for those good folks.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:25 am
by Cascadia
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Refer back to fish’s post.
It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.
so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.
If we take down the "fortress we have built around the capital in dc" will you and your family members stop trying to kill politicians who view the world differently than you do?
Because, yes, most of us would like to spend that money elsewhere, but we have too many sociopaths like you in our society.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:33 am
by zsn
^^^^^^^^YESSSS. Beat me to it Cascadia!
It looks like many of the “law enforcement” people that MICH is defending are the problem, and that’s the reason why the NG is there
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:34 am
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:01 am
are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.
Refer back to fish’s post.
It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.
so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.
My head hurts. There is no logic to what you just said.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:35 am
by Deleted User 863
Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:21 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:57 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:04 am
Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.
and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm
Illy's in the middle of a full blown, multiple thread meltdown. I'm sure he will tucker himself out soon.
What am i melting down about exaxtly? I think you're misapplying that word.
Right about 1 thing though, it won't be an all day posting extravaganza because it's going to be about 80 degrees and i have a tee time at 12:00
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:36 am
by Deleted User 863
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:21 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:28 am
I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2)
substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.
A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.
* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.
And more to Trad's point, we have to stop the practice of the good cops defending to the end the bad cops
That will be the biggest and most important step in the process.
