Kansas Crimson

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:40 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:31 am If you think about it, GM LeBron has made dumber moves than throwing away a single first round draft pick. Teams recover from that all the time.

How many other GMs have gone to 8 straight NBA finals?

So is he a good GM or bad GM? You guys flip flop so much when it comes to LeBron.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:44 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:40 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:31 am If you think about it, GM LeBron has made dumber moves than throwing away a single first round draft pick. Teams recover from that all the time.

How many other GMs have gone to 8 straight NBA finals?

So is he a good GM or bad GM? You guys flip flop so much when it comes to LeBron.

It's mystifying how you could respond to my post with whatever this is.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:40 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:31 am If you think about it, GM LeBron has made dumber moves than throwing away a single first round draft pick. Teams recover from that all the time.

How many other GMs have gone to 8 straight NBA finals?

So is he a good GM or bad GM? You guys flip flop so much when it comes to LeBron.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:45 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:44 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:40 am

How many other GMs have gone to 8 straight NBA finals?

So is he a good GM or bad GM? You guys flip flop so much when it comes to LeBron.

It's mystifying how you could respond to my post with whatever this is.

8. Straight. Finals.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:51 am LeBron's shrewdest GM moves have all been leaving aging teams to join younger, more talented teams. Credit to him for those obvious moves.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:48 am He's only the GM when you don't like the situation...when the result is positive he doesn't get GM credit.

Now is when it would be prudent to recall the winter of 2018, when James had grown frustrated with a flawed Cavs team. He'd declined to extend his contract the summer before when a deal for Paul George was on the table. Cleveland team owner Dan Gilbert responded by acquiescing to Kyrie Irving's trade demand, working out a deal centered around a draft pick and not players as James had made it clear he wanted.

There was plausible deniability, but in mid-January James started playing under a form of protest. Everyone on the team knew it and it was evident if you watched closely enough, James' foot was off the gas. Gilbert and Cavs general manager Koby Altman were at a crossroads and knew there was a strong chance James was leaving in free agency but they still had the rest of the season.

Eventually, Gilbert and Altman realized they didn't have a choice. James was an irreplaceable resource; once he was gone there would maybe never be another. So the day before the trade deadline, they got several trades in place. That night, Altman met with James before the game and told him the following day they were trading for four new players and had decided to use their first-round pick from that year to do so. It was the seventh first-rounder they were trading in the four seasons James had been back.

That night, an energetic James ended his quasi-strike with a signature 37-point, 10-rebound, 15-assist masterpiece that included a buzzer-beater to win a game against the Minnesota Timberwolves. He topped it off with a move for his personal passive-aggressive Hall of Fame, turning his back on Isaiah Thomas when he charged the court to celebrate. James never wanted the Cavs to trade for Thomas and already knew he was being shipped out the next day.

The Cavs got four role players at the deadline but that wasn't the real prize. That night, members of the front office looked at each other and realized: what they'd really traded for was James.

He followed it up with one of the greatest postseason runs of his pro career, making two buzzer-beaters and winning two Game 7s -- including one on the road -- to make his eighth straight Finals.

The Lakers were involved in all that, they got in on those Cavs trades and used them to get the salary-cap space to sign James the following summer and got their first-round pick.

Now they might need to remember it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:47 am He is the GOAT.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:47 am He is the GOAT.

The narrative I started hearing over the weekend is that LeBron had the better overall career but peak Jordan was better.

I suppose I can live with that being the story.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:04 am Does Bronny have PG skills?

Cuz that may ultimately be the biggest factor in determining his league potential, even more so than all the leveraging from his superstar dad.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:47 am He is the GOAT.

The narrative I started hearing over the weekend is that LeBron had the better overall career but peak Jordan was better.

I suppose I can live with that being the story.

Overlander wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:11 amWith todays rules, Jordan averages 30ppg.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:11 am it seems like the question is: should bron be held to a standard different from other parents?

the majority of parents would advocate for their kids success, but at what point does bron’s notoriety give jr. an unfair advantage? and is that bron’s fault, or the fault of the colleges and gm’s that would lack the integrity to see past it?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:14 am

Overlander wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:11 amWith todays rules, Jordan averages 30ppg.

This seems conservative considering he averaged 30.1 over his career, including the Washington years.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:05 am

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:04 am Does Bronny have PG skills?

Cuz that may ultimately be the biggest factor in determining his league potential, even more so than all the leveraging from his superstar dad.

The scouting report I have seen makes Bronny sound like a 4-year shooting guard in a point guard's body. Top 50-100ish. A lot of those type of players out there.