Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:18 pm Well of course it isn’t fair.

But to say that with such resignation; such complacency - as if life will never be fair - let’s avoid that, and strive for better than that.

After all, that’s what separates us from the animals.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:31 pm While there’s plenty to discuss, let’s focus on the bold part.

Do you know anyone not motivated by money?

Particularly in Merica

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:20 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:11 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:44 am Shit, if you can’t beat em, join em.

I’m interested in a career change. I wanna be a professional landlord!

In lieu of a School Of Landlording, I guess I’ll just have to seek investors.

Who wants to buy property and have me manage it for you??

I go away for an hour and when I come back your ass is all black and blue....damn, you take a beating like a man, or a masochist, or someone who doesn't know when to quit.

Before you find investors you have to find an opportunity and bring it to them. Investors have no limit to the number of people willing to work for them. They are looking for opportunities/ideas and if they can't find them themselves, they need and are willing to pay someone to bring one to them. It's really that simple.

You need to leave the places that are already "opportunitied out" and look for the next great place. The only opportunities left to develop in the Fraser valley are way out of the realm of your pocket book and no one who owns any of that land needs your help to do anything with it.

You need to find a place where you could buy 20 acres for $20K that has water and then you can do what you think you want to do. I know a town that owns 90 acres and they are looking for someone to develop low cost housing. We are building structures out of mud there and we buy lumber direct from a mill that sells it rough sawn, cut from beetle kill pine at a big discount. There are opportunities out there at a price point where you could get involved.

But.....

....you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone, you are gonna hafta put some sweat equity in, you may have to work harder than you have ever worked in your life. And before you live the good life you may have to do some subsistence living.

but.....

...I will also say it may not suck more than your life right now and when you are 10 years down the road you may look back and be pretty pleased with what you have accomplished and think it was all worth it. Get some skin in the game mister.

Seriously, what do you have to lose? A shitty job and a shit filled apartment?

You know where to find us. Overlander will be making manhattans out back and I will be bringing BBQ from KC for the feasts. Defix can explain which end of a hammer to hold and how to run the table saw without losing a finger. There will be weed and beer in the Spud Lounge at happy hour when we are all too tired to work any more.

That actually sounds pretty awesome

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:41 pm Much of it, here at least, is that there’s so much competition for housing.

Everyone knows it too.

Landlords know they can get away with slacking, since it’s so easy to find new renters. And renters know to put up with more than they should, since they’re otherwise facing literal homelessness.

Maybe that’s a point I wanted to make - I dunno if the threat of homelessness should be treated like just another market choice.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:19 am wait, we still need to be fighting about this?

japhy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:51 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:19 am wait, we still need to be fighting about this?

Who's fighting? I thought you wanted to change things and fix shit? You can't fix shit unless you know what is broke and why.

japhy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:04 am

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:20 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:11 pm

I go away for an hour and when I come back your ass is all black and blue....damn, you take a beating like a man, or a masochist, or someone who doesn't know when to quit.

Before you find investors you have to find an opportunity and bring it to them. Investors have no limit to the number of people willing to work for them. They are looking for opportunities/ideas and if they can't find them themselves, they need and are willing to pay someone to bring one to them. It's really that simple.

You need to leave the places that are already "opportunitied out" and look for the next great place. The only opportunities left to develop in the Fraser valley are way out of the realm of your pocket book and no one who owns any of that land needs your help to do anything with it.

You need to find a place where you could buy 20 acres for $20K that has water and then you can do what you think you want to do. I know a town that owns 90 acres and they are looking for someone to develop low cost housing. We are building structures out of mud there and we buy lumber direct from a mill that sells it rough sawn, cut from beetle kill pine at a big discount. There are opportunities out there at a price point where you could get involved.

But.....

....you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone, you are gonna hafta put some sweat equity in, you may have to work harder than you have ever worked in your life. And before you live the good life you may have to do some subsistence living.

but.....

...I will also say it may not suck more than your life right now and when you are 10 years down the road you may look back and be pretty pleased with what you have accomplished and think it was all worth it. Get some skin in the game mister.

Seriously, what do you have to lose? A shitty job and a shit filled apartment?

You know where to find us. Overlander will be making manhattans out back and I will be bringing BBQ from KC for the feasts. Defix can explain which end of a hammer to hold and how to run the table saw without losing a finger. There will be weed and beer in the Spud Lounge at happy hour when we are all too tired to work any more.

That actually sounds pretty awesome

Feel free to submit your resume.

Unless you are only motivated by hippie chicks, and then Ousy suggests you look elsewhere.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 am Or what about better wages? It doesn’t seem to mention that, but a living wage might go a long way toward affording a place to live

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:59 am If you believe that, then the gummint has some beach front property in denver they’d like to sell you.

we’re not talking about millionaire homes here. We’re talking just not being homeless.

And even if we assume these low wage workers somehow also have the economic mobility to just up and move to some other market, then what? Who’s gonna serve lattes and wash dishes and clean the beach front homes for those millionaires, then?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:44 am I mean, once again, somebody else is making the topic about me.

I thought we were talking about denver, one of the largest major cities and metros in Merica. It’s hardly just a resort town for millionaires.

But if you really wanna stick to ski towns, I dunno how I feel about you saying “renters have no skin in the game.” There’s a local working class, many of whom who have lived here for years or even grew up here, who are established in the community, and critical to the local economy and infrastructure. Let’s not marginalize them, please. In many ways, they have even more skin in the game than yall!

It sucks that apparently no one cares about them as that is, until affected personally by having longer wait times for yall’s cheeseburgers.

But hey, I like your optimism that eventually “the rich people will pay a premium for the things you mention so wages will catch up.” So let’s just cross our fingers and hope that wealth really does start to trickle down.