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Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:08 pm
by jfish26
jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:55 pm
twocoach wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:53 pm
It's so insane that people just ignore all the giant flashing red lights around this scumbag.
When the alarm bells are going off constantly, it becomes easy to forget there’s a fire at all.
This, in other words.


Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:18 pm
by Shirley
jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:08 pm
jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:55 pm
twocoach wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:53 pm
It's so insane that people just ignore all the giant flashing red lights around this scumbag.
When the alarm bells are going off constantly, it becomes easy to forget there’s a fire at all.
This, in other words.

I had CNN on when he prostrated himself, once again, for cult leader Trump, and had to turn the channel in disgust since he passes for what's considered to be one of the "normal" Republicans, these days.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:21 pm
by Shirley
Trump now calling four-star General and Gold Star parent John Kelly, his former Chief of Staff, a "lowlife".

What does that say about your judgement for hiring him, Donald?

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 pm
by Sparko
Always someone else's fault. Immigrants, Ukraine, Poland.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:23 pm
by KUTradition
The Guardian with some…interesting…trump and epstein revelations

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:27 pm
by Shirley
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:23 pm The Guardian with some…interesting…trump and epstein revelations
Thanks for the link.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:51 pm
by KUTradition
Shirley wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:27 pm
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:23 pm The Guardian with some…interesting…trump and epstein revelations
Thanks for the link.
i haven’t read it yet, just saw it mentioned elsewhere

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ey-epstein

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:04 pm
by Shirley
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:51 pm
Shirley wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:27 pm
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:23 pm The Guardian with some…interesting…trump and epstein revelations
Thanks for the link.
i haven’t read it yet, just saw it mentioned elsewhere

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ey-epstein
Shirley wrote:Thanks for the link.
^^^

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:22 am
by japhy
It reminds of that quote attributed to Jay Gould, "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."
As Elon Musk’s rabid pro-Trump mania makes clear, billionaires are wielding their financial might in this year’s presidential election far more than in any previous campaign—and far more openly, too. More than 60 billionaires have opened their wallets to help elect Donald Trump, with some giving $10 million, $20 million, or more, indicating that many plutocrats are far more worried about the prospect of Democrats increasing their taxes than about the threat that Trump poses to our democracy.

There’s no denying that billionaires are trying to bend society to their will. America’s 800-plus billionaires hold over $6 trillion in wealth, more wealth than the bottom half of U.S. households. The super wealthy own a greater share of the nation’s wealth today than they did during the Gilded Age of the Rockefellers and Carnegies. And they will do whatever they have to do to keep things that way.

Timothy Mellon, the billionaire heir to a Gilded Age fortune, has given an astounding amount—$125 million—to a pro-Trump super PAC. That’s more than the combined donations of 3 million typical Americans giving $40 each. Miriam Adelson, the widow of casino tycoon Sheldon Adelson, has contributed $100 million to, among other things, help finance a flood of pro-Trump ad buys in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. (Trump has reportedly pressed her to cough up $250 million on his behalf.) Rupert Murdoch, a billionaire immigrant from Australia, has helped Trump day after day by turning Fox News into a truth-bending, immigrant-bashing, pro-Trump propaganda machine.

Dick Uihlein, an Illinois billionaire who runs a cardboard and paper-goods empire, gave $49 million to a pro-Trump super PAC that he runs. Ike Perlmutter, the former chairman of Marvel Entertainment, and his wife contributed $25 million to another pro-Trump super PAC, Right for America. Jeff Yass, a major investor in TikTok’s parent company, and his wife have given $70 million to conservative causes this election cycle, including $25 million to the Club for Growth, a free-market group that is backing Trump. (Trump reversed his position on banning TikTok earlier this year, not long after he held a meeting with Yass.)

Billionaires are also flexing their muscle in Senate and House races. For instance, Brian Armstrong and his company, CoinBase, the largest crypto exchange, have helped lead their industry’s $40 million effort to defeat Sherrod Brown, a Democratic senator from Ohio and crypto critic who is running for reelection.

As for the $250 billion man, Elon Musk has invested at least $75 million in a super PAC that he created to run much of Trump’s get-out-the-vote operation. He has also used his $44 billion investment in Twitter to turn it into a Trump fanboy site that promotes disinformation and conspiracy theories to help move as many people as possible to the right and into Trump’s camp. Musk evidently hopes that a Trump victory will help SpaceX and other companies he’s involved in continue to win billions of dollars in federal contracts while also helping get federal agencies to stop bringing so many actions that accuse Musk’s companies of breaking the law.

Without the enormous aid from these and other billionaires, Trump’s race against Kamala Harris wouldn’t even be close—he’d be well behind. These plutocrats’ efforts underline the wisdom of something that Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis once said: “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.”

Crystallizing Brandeis’ fears, the billionaires backing Trump don’t seem terribly concerned about preserving our democracy. They support Trump despite his talk of being a dictator on Day One, terminating the Constitution and siccing federal prosecutors on his political opponents and critics. They’re far more concerned about slashing taxes and regulations than about the risks of electing a demagogue who hails Hungary’s authoritarian leader, Viktor Orban, as a model.

Indeed, Trump is champing at the bit to again enact huge tax breaks for the richest 1 percent and corporations. He is so eager to attract billionaires’ donations that he has tirelessly wooed Musk, even promising to make him the nation’s “government efficiency” czar. It’s frightening that Trump would consider appointing a gazillionaire who doesn’t begin to understand the important role that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs play for millions of Americans to decide which government programs to chop and whether to fire thousands of federal employees who provide important services.

Although Harris also has some influential billionaire backers—Bill Gates says he has donated $50 million to help her—she is uncomfortable with America’s extreme income inequality and the super wealthy’s immense economic and political might. Unlike Trump, Harris wants to impose higher taxes on the super rich, including a “billionaire minimum tax,” and perhaps even a tax on their unrealized investment gains.

Many Americans fail to realize just how much the super rich use their financial muscle to twist and tilt policymaking to their liking. After the painful 2008 recession, the super rich got Washington’s policymakers to focus on cutting the budget deficit instead of cutting the painfully high unemployment rate and assuring a speedy recovery. The ultrawealthy successfully lobbied to stop Presidents Obama and Biden from repealing the “carried interest” loophole that saves private equity executives billions by taxing their profits at lower capital gains rates, around 20 percent, instead of higher personal income tax rates, around 37 percent. Billionaires’ successes in helping elect right-wing lawmakers and in lobbying help explain why Congress keeps blocking progressive ideas that have overwhelming public support, like a higher minimum wage and paid family and medical leave. (In one of the most insidious and destructive moves by billionaires, the Koch brothers used their wealth to essentially create the climate denial movement, as Jane Mayer explains in her book Dark Money, funding pseudoscientists to produce “studies” that supposedly debunked human-caused global warming and donating heavily to right-wing think tanks and politicians to get them to deny global warming and fight efforts to curb fossil fuels.)
It's not exactly this simple, but money does help.

And the rubes cheer for them and adore them. Cuz they were born "successful".

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:14 am
by KUTradition
hmmm…that reads kinda deep-statey

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:22 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:14 am hmmm…that reads kinda deep-statey
Not that YOU need this being pointed out, but - if you take the medium-depth outline of Randy's/lobster's conspiracy theories, and do some MAD LIBS-style substitutions (Musk for Soros, MAGA/Putin for the WEF, etc.), you end up with a MUCH more realistic story than the fantastical ones told about the left.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:39 am
by KUTradition
jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:22 am
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:14 am hmmm…that reads kinda deep-statey
Not that YOU need this being pointed out, but - if you take the medium-depth outline of Randy's/lobster's conspiracy theories, and do some MAD LIBS-style substitutions (Musk for Soros, MAGA/Putin for the WEF, etc.), you end up with a MUCH more realistic story than the fantastical ones told about the left.
most definitely

edit: thinking about this more, it actually seems to me like there are more “receipts”, so to speak, in this alternative scenario

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:34 pm
by jfish26

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:49 am
by jfish26

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:54 am
by jfish26

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:28 am
by Sparko
Racist, rapist and repellent.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:58 am
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:54 am
Harris should call him on this and they should give both candidates true neutral party administered neurological and psychological evaluations and air it on TV.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:05 pm
by jfish26
Speaking of TV.


Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:07 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
twocoach wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:58 am
jfish26 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:54 am
Harris should call him on this and they should give both candidates true neutral party administered neurological and psychological evaluations and air it on TV.
Ummmmmm.
That might not be such a good idea. I have little doubt she has considerable psychological issues of her own.

Re: trumpty plumpty

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:07 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns