Kansas Crimson

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:00 am “If only” the stimulus or relief or whatever swampy joe is calling it was actually going towards helping out our vulnerable. Instead, some of it will help our vulnerable. Most of it will settle campaign promises and coddle the far left. You know, politics as usual.

Didn't you spend the last 4 years justifying Trump taking actions solely to fulfill campaign promises and to coddle his supporters and friends? NOW you have a problem with it?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:00 am “If only” the stimulus or relief or whatever swampy joe is calling it was actually going towards helping out our vulnerable. Instead, some of it will help our vulnerable. Most of it will settle campaign promises and coddle the far left. You know, politics as usual.

It's disgusting that they want to send billions overseas when we have millions in poverty right now.

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:01 pm Biden just said he will not cancel 50K of student loan debt. To be fair though, he never said he was going to do this. A lot of other democrats are going to be pissed about this, because they were really pushing for it. It's pretty hard to believe that the establishment (Biden) is going to remove billions in debt for his friends who profit from the student debt.

I'm not against this idea, just so long as they stop the problem which started it, which was having the government backing the loans.

Get the government out of Wall Street, get the government out of student loans, get the government out of mortgages -- problem solved.

TyHobsonPowell sounds like a domestic terrorist trying to incite a violent revolt.

Where’d you get violence out of that?

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:49 pm Get the government out of Wall Street, get the government out of student loans, get the government out of mortgages -- problem solved.

Predatory loans for everybody!

(Man, the housing crash can’t get here soon enough)

Walrus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:01 pm Biden just said he will not cancel 50K of student loan debt. To be fair though, he never said he was going to do this. A lot of other democrats are going to be pissed about this, because they were really pushing for it. It's pretty hard to believe that the establishment (Biden) is going to remove billions in debt for his friends who profit from the student debt.

I'm not against this idea, just so long as they stop the problem which started it, which was having the government backing the loans.

I am glad to see Biden pushing Congress to take this up as legislation, where it would be harder to undo, rather than through Executive Action.

Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

my question as well

i’ve paid of ~85% of mine

personally, i think this relief should be done with more precision. i know too many people that got loans because they could, and not necessarily because they really needed them. the money ended up being spent on things other than the essentials for their educations

i also agree that the system, in general, needs an overhaul...1) employers need to stop preferring a college degree if it is of no benefit to the actual work, 2) trade school degrees and certifications need to be better advertised, supported, and sought after by employers, and 3) the loan structure needs re-tooled

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

How do you feel about slavery reparations?
Look, I'm a guy who took out a student loan in the mid 80s. Do I feel the government should reimburse me for something I did in the 80s and has been "resolved" for over 30 years? HECK NO.
Meanwhile,,,,,, I pay a sh*t ton of money to our government in taxes every year. You know how much "stimulus" money I have seen? ZERO dollars. Do I think that's "fair"? NO. So...... What do you suggest I do about it? Thankfully I don't need it. What really pisses me off are all those who don't need it and are happily taking it.
Reminds me a bit of this......

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:07 pm
i also agree that the system, in general, needs an overhaul...1) employers need to stop preferring a college degree if it is of no benefit to the actual work, 2) trade school degrees and certifications need to be better advertised, supported, and sought after by employers, and 3) the loan structure needs re-tooled

Can be said about a lot of things where profit-motive is a great detriment. Education, healthcare, utilities, criminal justice....... “free market” is ill-equipped to handle many things.

When colleges are reliant on a screws-up funding system we end up in a death spiral where students really don’t see how their loans are going. It’s come to a point where student loans are actually a factor in the unaffordablity of higher education rather than being a solution, much the same way that health insurance is as much a cause of the higher cost of medical care.

If you think about it all of these issues are in the same vein as my firm belief that highly sophisticated helmets in American football is a contributing factor to higher rate of head injury and the solution is for players to wear bicycle helmets!

The perceived solution is actually the problem!!!

College was never that expensive (generally speaking) until the department of education was formed. They allowed students to borrow government guaranteed loans that could not be erased in bankruptcy. College administrative staff knew they could increase the price of tuition because it was guaranteed. A similar thing happened in housing when the government started lowering interest rates ridiculously low and they started backing the mortgages. They love high priced homes because it creates higher taxes. The common denominator is obvious.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

The purpose of the proposals isn't reparations. It's not about you. Directly, anyway.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

Don't you already feel like you benefitted from a reduced tuition rate compared to today?Even when adjusted for inflation, you only had to pay a feaction of today's going rate. You kinda already got and accepted your free handout.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:05 pm College was never that expensive (generally speaking) until the department of education was formed. They allowed students to borrow government guaranteed loans that could not be erased in bankruptcy. College administrative staff knew they could increase the price of tuition because it was guaranteed. A similar thing happened in housing when the government started lowering interest rates ridiculously low and they started backing the mortgages. They love high priced homes because it creates higher taxes. The common denominator is obvious.

the biggest relative increases have been since the turn of the century...having zero to do with the dept. if education

i should have recognized this, having seen it first-hand while employed at KU, but a quick search indicates that one of the biggest reasons tuition has increased, at least since the early 80s, is that states have dramatically cut back on funding of higher ed

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:42 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

Don't you already feel like you benefitted from a reduced tuition rate compared to today?Even when adjusted for inflation, you only had to pay a feaction of today's going rate. You kinda already got and accepted your free handout.

I can't comprehend the "life shouldn't get better for other people than it was for me" outlook.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:58 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:42 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm Are they going to reimburse those of us that paid off our student loans. Me. My wife. My daughter. We all paid off our student loans all by ourselves. Do we get the gov't handout?

Don't you already feel like you benefitted from a reduced tuition rate compared to today?Even when adjusted for inflation, you only had to pay a feaction of today's going rate. You kinda already got and accepted your free handout.

I can't comprehend the "life shouldn't get better for other people than it was for me" outlook.

It's common enough to have a term for it: https://www.definitions.net/definition/crab+mentality