Kansas Crimson

If we win the next 4 con, do we just send Teahan to KC alone?

Tournament should be 1 game. KU VS. Baylor. The rest are pretenders.
Sad thing is I believe that KU VS. Baylor will not be the championship final.

pdub wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:38 pm If we win the next 4 con, do we just send Teahan to KC alone?

Some of you wish for this every year. Which is bizarre. Winning tournaments is fun. Didn't you play sports?

Keep wishing. We will go try to win it just like we do every other year.

Big 12 tourny is irrelevant. Phone it in.

KU might be unanimous #1 tomorrow.

Every other team to receive 1st place votes last week lost.

But figure some michhawk might give a vote to Dayton or something...

The big 12 tourney is not irrelevant. It's not even that much more irrelevant than the regular season conference race if we're setting the bar for "relevant" that high.

We should mail in the league tourney, again.

Let Drew have it. We will be #1 seed in Indy, because of our fantastic regular season. A conference tourney loss isn't going to change it.

And please let us play Tech and not WVU.

IF we go and win out the rest of the regular season then yep - we're an overall one no matter what happens in KC.
If we can win the B12 tourney playing our guys limited minutes, i'm all for it.
I'd consider playing Dotson and Dok 20 minutes or fewer.

Tristran Enaruna, Christian Braun, Isaiah Moss, David McCormack and whomever of the walkon guards can play point best.

Agree that the Big 12 Tournament (waste of time) should be used to get other guys some playing time. I’d play the normal players the first game and then I’d sit Dok and Dot the rest of them. Don’t take an embarrassing loss in the first round but don’t risk injury to your most important players in a meaningless game.

Keep dreaming. I'll post conference per game minute averages and conference tournament per game minute averages for each player after Dok plays 33min in the conference tourney title game and scores 20pts with 15rebs against Baylor. I'd be willing to bet the minute averages are not much different. This year or historically.

So I just saw something interesting. #1 overall seed picks the first round games and what they want their region to be.

Does KU go to a greater fan base in Houston, or do they go for closer and be in Indy?

I think they’ll choose Houston. Indy has the chance to get the likes of Kentucky, Dayton, etc that won’t be fun to play in a road environment.

Think KU being in Houston might be better for the S16 E8 rounds.

I’ve been assuming Indy for the whole time bc of easier flight and flight times. More drivable, too.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:05 pm The big 12 tourney is not irrelevant. It's not even that much more irrelevant than the regular season conference race if we're setting the bar for "relevant" that high.

That's dumb. If a team has a fluky season and wins the Big 12 regular season, they get a 3 seed or better (see State, Kansas). If a team has a fluky Big 12 title run, they arent pulling up to a 3 seed unless they were already a 4 seed.

Looking at it from the opposite perspective. If KU falls apart and gets third in the regular season, they are dropping to probably a 4 seed. If they drop their first game in KC, they are still a 1 seed.

So yeah, they are different in pretty much every way possible.

pdub wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:24 pm IF we go and win out the rest of the regular season then yep - we're an overall one no matter what happens in KC.
If we can win the B12 tourney playing our guys limited minutes, i'm all for it.
I'd consider playing Dotson and Dok 20 minutes or fewer.

Tristran Enaruna, Christian Braun, Isaiah Moss, David McCormack and whomever of the walkon guards can play point best.

I dont want guys playing limited minutes. If they play, they should be playing to try to win. Nobody needs reps wasting time right before the tourney.

Of course when they are in there, they are playing to win.
But managing minutes and getting our bench some PT would be what I would do.
I want to win the Big 12 tourney but it's so less important than the regular season and so less important than the NCAA tournament.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:46 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:05 pm The big 12 tourney is not irrelevant. It's not even that much more irrelevant than the regular season conference race if we're setting the bar for "relevant" that high.

That's dumb. If a team has a fluky season and wins the Big 12 regular season, they get a 3 seed or better (see State, Kansas). If a team has a fluky Big 12 title run, they arent pulling up to a 3 seed unless they were already a 4 seed.

Looking at it from the opposite perspective. If KU falls apart and gets third in the regular season, they are dropping to probably a 4 seed. If they drop their first game in KC, they are still a 1 seed.

So yeah, they are different in pretty much every way possible.

So you're basically saying it's all about the NCAA tournament/seeding? Which is fine. I won't argue if that's how you feel. But it still doesn't make the big 12 tournament irrelevant.

My point is that it's NOT all about the NCAA tournament. Although that's definitely the most important part. I think winning conference regular season and conference tournament is also important.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:46 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:05 pm The big 12 tourney is not irrelevant. It's not even that much more irrelevant than the regular season conference race if we're setting the bar for "relevant" that high.

That's dumb. If a team has a fluky season and wins the Big 12 regular season, they get a 3 seed or better (see State, Kansas). If a team has a fluky Big 12 title run, they arent pulling up to a 3 seed unless they were already a 4 seed.

Looking at it from the opposite perspective. If KU falls apart and gets third in the regular season, they are dropping to probably a 4 seed. If they drop their first game in KC, they are still a 1 seed.

So yeah, they are different in pretty much every way possible.

So you're basically saying it's all about the NCAA tournament/seeding? Which is fine. I won't argue if that's how you feel. But it still doesn't make the big 12 tournament irrelevant.

My point is that it's NOT all about the NCAA tournament. Although that's definitely the most important part. I think winning conference regular season and conference tournament is also important.

Since the modern tourney era (since 85) KU has been to 9 Final Fours. They only won the conference tourney in 3 of those 9 seasons.

But they won the conference regular season title in 8 of those 9 seasons.

The stats tell me that failing to win the conference tourney isnt important at all. It's fun to win and I hope we win every game that we play but it hasnt seem to had any negative impact on our season at all. We've actually made the Final Four more in seasons where we failed to win the conference tourney at a much higher rate than in seasons when we did.

Why is there even a conference tournament? The smart guys over at the Ivy League had it right for the longest time. Give your autobid to the conferences best team over the course of the season, who has earned it, instead of a team who wins 3 games in one weekend.

Conference tourneys are nothing more than to rake in more money, but in order to do that they have to make it worth playing. The only people who benefit from them are teams on the bubble.

I still like the thrill of the conference tournaments - because it aligns with the thrill of the NCAA tournament.

It's not the best way to determine the best team so fuck it, let's go all in on this single elimination deal.

Also, as a very likely 1 seed, i'm all for some 12-20 team from Colonial Athletic winning their conference tournament and becoming our 16.

The more ideal tournament would be something like a 48 team tournament, 4 regions, autobids given to 23 regular season conference champs, wildcard for the rest, and the first 4 seeded teams in each region get a bye. 1st round is single elimination.

The rest of the rounds best of 3.

But that's a lot of games for college so you could just apply the same scenario with single elimination but the top 4 teams get that bye.