Kansas Crimson

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:50 am

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:20 am Let's review.....
Two very busy airports, two flights, HS Football game, music festival with 10,000 people, TWO concerts with 40,000 people, packed modes of public transportation, crowded restaurants, etc., etc., etc.

I just tested negative - Rapid Antigen and SARS-CoV-2 PCR.

As I keep reminding people, if I get the fungus (whatever "variant") it can be because I was exposed to someone in an elevator or an Uber driver or someone some way that may not be from my attending a "super spreader" event. Yes, I understand it's a numbers game and it's better for me not to attend an event that to attend one if I want to stay virus free but......

Good grief, and you have been complaining about people in your apartment building and workplace?!?

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:50 am
Good grief, and you have been complaining about people in your apartment building and workplace?!?

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:27 pm

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

A simple rubric that all adults (should) follow on a daily basis:

1.) Stop complaining.
2.) Go to work.
3.) Do your job.
4.) Repeat cycle.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:27 pm

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

A simple rubric that all adults (should) follow on a daily basis:

1.) Stop complaining.
2.) Go to work.
3.) Do your job.
4.) Repeat cycle.

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:50 am
Good grief, and you have been complaining about people in your apartment building and workplace?!?

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

sdoyel wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:05 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:27 pm

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

A simple rubric that all adults (should) follow on a daily basis:

1.) Stop complaining.
2.) Go to work.
3.) Do your job.
4.) Repeat cycle.

You don’t enjoy your job, do you?

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:24 pm

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:59 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Exactly! And demanding that he be excused from work because of fear of contracting COVID there. It is so ridiculous that you’d think it was an urban legend if he didn’t cone out and admit it himself.

Anything else you want to falsely accuse me of and not comprehend?

My exact words....

"I just don't feel safe working in my office with people who I don't know if they are Covid positive. I say being that have to spend extended time with my 88 year old mother on Monday and Tuesday as well as with elderly people in Temple and at my cousin's house Tuesday night. God forbid I "catch it" and pass it on to them".

"Not a bad philosophy but there are many variables at play. I am going in to work tomorrow but I am not going to hesitate to say - "I'm outta here" if people are very lax and not adhering to "policies".

Two things....
1. My biggest concern was not for my own well being but for the well being of others whom I had to spend time with. Right?

2. Did I not post today that I waited a considerable amount of time and got a negative covid test before I decided to see my mother yesterday?

We have a lady at my work with the same mindset. She basically only comes to the office when no one else is there at night ( when no one can verify that she actually IS working.

Since she was hospitalized with covid 3 weeks ago, she basically refuses to come in. Her work (vital to what we do) is piling up.

I get the feeling that our GM will fire her as soon as she burns through her PTO.

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:27 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

I think there's a difference between missing work because of being legitimately ill and missing work because you are taking advantage of a situation to benefit yourself. Performance issues due to volitional decisions being made are fireable.

Case in point, I had a coworker who was not in the office for 18 months. The college allowed him to work/teach from home because he claimed he was afraid of COVID. That was fine initially, since there were several people who were also doing that. However, when the rest of the faculty, all of whom were considerably older and more susceptible to COVID, came back, he insisted that he was still in grave danger. What he privately told others was that he realized during his time working from home that he liked being able to take his kids to school and pick them up afterward, and that he felt like that was a legitimate reason to keep working from home.

Magically, that fear went away completely last month when he was offered his "dream job" at another organization, along with a higher salary. He took it and is now willing to gladly go to the office every day, including interaction with large crowds and lots of air travel. I guess COVID only impacts you when you don't like your job and are not getting paid as much as you would like. And I guess his kids will be fine riding the bus now, too.

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

Overlander wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:40 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

Performance issues are well documented.
I wrote her up myself 6 months ago.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:36 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:27 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

I think there's a difference between missing work because of being legitimately ill and missing work because you are taking advantage of a situation to benefit yourself. Performance issues due to volitional decisions being made are fireable.

Case in point, I had a coworker who was not in the office for 18 months. The college allowed him to work/teach from home because he claimed he was afraid of COVID. That was fine initially, since there were several people who were also doing that. However, when the rest of the faculty, all of whom were considerably older and more susceptible to COVID, came back, he insisted that he was still in grave danger. What he privately told others was that he realized during his time working from home that he liked being able to take his kids to school and pick them up afterward, and that he felt like that was a legitimate reason to keep working from home.

Magically, that fear went away completely last month when he was offered his "dream job" at another organization, along with a higher salary. He took it and is now willing to gladly go to the office every day, including interaction with large crowds and lots of air travel. I guess COVID only impacts you when you don't like your job and are not getting paid as much as you would like. And I guess his kids will be fine riding the bus now, too.

My advice to you:

1.) Stop complaining.
2.) Go to work.
3.) Do your job.
4.) Repeat cycle.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:27 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

I think there's a difference between missing work because of being legitimately ill and missing work because you are taking advantage of a situation to benefit yourself. Performance issues due to volitional decisions being made are fireable.

Case in point, I had a coworker who was not in the office for 18 months. The college allowed him to work/teach from home because he claimed he was afraid of COVID. That was fine initially, since there were several people who were also doing that. However, when the rest of the faculty, all of whom were considerably older and more susceptible to COVID, came back, he insisted that he was still in grave danger. What he privately told others was that he realized during his time working from home that he liked being able to take his kids to school and pick them up afterward, and that he felt like that was a legitimate reason to keep working from home.

Magically, that fear went away completely last month when he was offered his "dream job" at another organization, along with a higher salary. He took it and is now willing to gladly go to the office every day, including interaction with large crowds and lots of air travel. I guess COVID only impacts you when you don't like your job and are not getting paid as much as you would like. And I guess his kids will be fine riding the bus now, too.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:50 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:36 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:27 pm

I think there's a difference between missing work because of being legitimately ill and missing work because you are taking advantage of a situation to benefit yourself. Performance issues due to volitional decisions being made are fireable.

Case in point, I had a coworker who was not in the office for 18 months. The college allowed him to work/teach from home because he claimed he was afraid of COVID. That was fine initially, since there were several people who were also doing that. However, when the rest of the faculty, all of whom were considerably older and more susceptible to COVID, came back, he insisted that he was still in grave danger. What he privately told others was that he realized during his time working from home that he liked being able to take his kids to school and pick them up afterward, and that he felt like that was a legitimate reason to keep working from home.

Magically, that fear went away completely last month when he was offered his "dream job" at another organization, along with a higher salary. He took it and is now willing to gladly go to the office every day, including interaction with large crowds and lots of air travel. I guess COVID only impacts you when you don't like your job and are not getting paid as much as you would like. And I guess his kids will be fine riding the bus now, too.

My advice to you:

1.) Stop complaining.
2.) Go to work.
3.) Do your job.
4.) Repeat cycle.

Already doing all of the above, but thanks for the unsolicited advice, dick.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:54 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:27 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:40 pm I’m no legal eagle but I’m quite sure it’s illegal to fire someone for taking a medical leave of absence. However if you can document performance issues everything is fair game

I think there's a difference between missing work because of being legitimately ill and missing work because you are taking advantage of a situation to benefit yourself. Performance issues due to volitional decisions being made are fireable.

Case in point, I had a coworker who was not in the office for 18 months. The college allowed him to work/teach from home because he claimed he was afraid of COVID. That was fine initially, since there were several people who were also doing that. However, when the rest of the faculty, all of whom were considerably older and more susceptible to COVID, came back, he insisted that he was still in grave danger. What he privately told others was that he realized during his time working from home that he liked being able to take his kids to school and pick them up afterward, and that he felt like that was a legitimate reason to keep working from home.

Magically, that fear went away completely last month when he was offered his "dream job" at another organization, along with a higher salary. He took it and is now willing to gladly go to the office every day, including interaction with large crowds and lots of air travel. I guess COVID only impacts you when you don't like your job and are not getting paid as much as you would like. And I guess his kids will be fine riding the bus now, too.

Work From Home is different than "missing work". Missing work is failing to do the job, not just failing to do the job from a specific location.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:18 pm