Who is the GOAT

[Deleted User 863]

I've been alive long enough to not count on having any idea whether famous people are or are not good parents and/or people.

I think it's pretty well documented, and pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, that Savannah James is a fantastic mother. If you want to question her parenting ability, and motivations, because of petty grievances about LeBron James basketball career choices then go right ahead....

Does it seem that far fetched that a married black couple could be fantastic parents even though the husband is a famous basketball player? That maybe LeBron is a loving father who wants what is truly best for his son?

I swear on my mother's life that I didn't recall LeBron's wife's name is Savannah - until I read your post.
Sorry for not "paying attention" to her and her parenting skills.

Glad I could refresh your memory.

I only know her name because a few weeks ago I had lunch with her 3rd cousin (on her dad's side).

[jfish26]

I think it's pretty well documented, and pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, that Savannah James is a fantastic mother. If you want to question her parenting ability, and motivations, because of petty grievances about LeBron James basketball career choices then go right ahead....

Does it seem that far fetched that a married black couple could be fantastic parents even though the husband is a famous basketball player? That maybe LeBron is a loving father who wants what is truly best for his son?

He put a "1st round tag" on him? His kid is a top 40 recruit. Does LeBron control the recruiting rankings also?

Some of you are totally incapable of being unbiased when it comes to LeBron.

All he said was his last year will be played wherever his son plays. Assuming his son plays basketball, and assuming whichever team drafts his son agrees to sign LeBron. He can't force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

You're the one pretending to know his and his wife's character as people and parents, here on this KU message board. But sure.

First of all, I am not all that big of a LeBron fan myself...I am just completely nauseated by the LeBron haters and the ridiculous things they say.

LeBron and Savannah have been in the public spotlight for damn near 2 decades. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to discover they are good parents. It's well documented.

Everyone's mileage varies I guess. I'm not sure I know a hundred couples personally that I'd confidently vouch for them being good parents behind closed doors. But, this tangent can die. You win. They're good parents.

[Deleted User 863]

You're the one pretending to know his and his wife's character as people and parents, here on this KU message board. But sure.

First of all, I am not all that big of a LeBron fan myself...I am just completely nauseated by the LeBron haters and the ridiculous things they say.

LeBron and Savannah have been in the public spotlight for damn near 2 decades. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to discover they are good parents. It's well documented.

Everyone's mileage varies I guess. I'm not sure I know a hundred couples personally that I'd confidently vouch for them being good parents behind closed doors. But, this tangent can die. You win. They're good parents.

I guess "good" is relative when it comes to parenting. Everyone parents a little bit differently.

But bad parents are usually pretty easy to identify.

[Deleted User 863]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

[jfish26]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

And that title of course is, like many titles are, is a bit controversy/luck-tainted.

Totally within his rights, and very likely what I would do! But, my Calipari comparison stands. Just can't be that fun to be a fan of it.

[PhDhawk]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Lebron would not have had the patience to wait two years for healthy embiid.

[CrimsonNBlue]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

And that title of course is, like many titles are, is a bit controversy/luck-tainted.

Totally within his rights, and very likely what I would do! But, my Calipari comparison stands. Just can't be that fun to be a fan of it.

Yes. Was wondering if this thread would ever get here.

How many GM's would trade the #1 overall pick for Kevin Love?

Granted, we didn't know Wiggs' development would be like this, and Cleveland technically did win a title, but I highly doubt a lot of GM's wouldn't take a crack at one of 3 guys (including Parker) where each were thought to be multiple all stars. And then, of course, Joel ending up doing Joel things.

[jfish26]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

And that title of course is, like many titles are, is a bit controversy/luck-tainted.

Totally within his rights, and very likely what I would do! But, my Calipari comparison stands. Just can't be that fun to be a fan of it.

Yes. Was wondering if this thread would ever get here.

How many GM's would trade the #1 overall pick for Kevin Love?

Granted, we didn't know Wiggs' development would be like this, and Cleveland technically did win a title, but I highly doubt a lot of GM's wouldn't take a crack at one of 3 guys (including Parker) where each were thought to be multiple all stars. And then, of course, Joel ending up doing Joel things.

(This is also one of the few corners of the internet that could credibly say that we knew Wiggs was miscast as a #1, particularly in a clown organization. He would have been excellent with Bron.)

[CrimsonNBlue]

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

And that title of course is, like many titles are, is a bit controversy/luck-tainted.

Totally within his rights, and very likely what I would do! But, my Calipari comparison stands. Just can't be that fun to be a fan of it.

Yes. Was wondering if this thread would ever get here.

How many GM's would trade the #1 overall pick for Kevin Love?

Granted, we didn't know Wiggs' development would be like this, and Cleveland technically did win a title, but I highly doubt a lot of GM's wouldn't take a crack at one of 3 guys (including Parker) where each were thought to be multiple all stars. And then, of course, Joel ending up doing Joel things.

(This is also one of the few corners of the internet that could credibly say that we knew Wiggs was miscast as a #1, particularly in a clown organization. He would have been excellent with Bron.)

Early on, I thought Wiggs had it because of how fast his scoring (and shooting) took off in the NBA. Then he just kind of stalled--LeBron would have been great for him. So many of LeBron's teams have also lacked an elite athlete for both offensive and defensive purposes. It's hard to criticize the Love trade, but I think there's legit criticism.

[Qusdahl]

Wiggins would have been a better piece to build with. Love was a better piece to plug in right away.

There’s also the salary angle, for what that’s worth. Wiggs was on a rookie contract while Love on a max deal.

And the whole injury history of Love either way.

[pdub]

The NBA is not college.
I know i'll get the long eye rolls but it's way more about money.
He won his title in Cleveland. Which is a big deal.

So it doesn't bother me much whatever LeBron, or anyone else does, to win, in pro sports ( i mean, unless he was part of my home town team, i.e. if Mahomes left KC to win in LA, then fuck him ).

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I think it's pretty well documented, and pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, that Savannah James is a fantastic mother. If you want to question her parenting ability, and motivations, because of petty grievances about LeBron James basketball career choices then go right ahead....

Does it seem that far fetched that a married black couple could be fantastic parents even though the husband is a famous basketball player? That maybe LeBron is a loving father who wants what is truly best for his son?

I swear on my mother's life that I didn't recall LeBron's wife's name is Savannah - until I read your post.
Sorry for not "paying attention" to her and her parenting skills.

Glad I could refresh your memory.

I only know her name because a few weeks ago I had lunch with her 3rd cousin (on her dad's side).

You know if you believe the Bible and the "book" of Genesis - we're all cousins. Right?
Hey, I'm just happy you're paying attention to her and her parenting skills - so I have one less thing to concern myself with - knowing that I can count on you to inform me. Gracias!

Speaking of Gracias, will you be joining the James gang for Taco Tuesday tomorrow evening?

[Deleted User 863]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

They couldn't have possibly known to draft Embiid over Wiggins (and Jabari). And Wiggins for Love proved to be the right move. Wiggins is only just now becoming close to what we hoped he could be.

It was unique to have a player so durable that he could bet on himself and structure contracts so that he could become a free agent and pick his destinations.

Or you can waste away in a crappy organization like Damian Lillard has.

I understand why a player jumping teams every few years might be undesirable for some people. Doesn't bother me much though. He made good choices and has won championships everywhere he's gone. Hard to argue with results.

And it's not like moving teams "hurts" anyone in the grand scheme of life. This is a sport. It's supposed to be fun. He wants to play on teams with people he likes. No different than some of us wanting to like our jobs or the people we work around daily.

[PhDhawk]

For a fun subject switch...

Can you imagine if LeBron and the Cavs knew what we all know now about what Embiid would become and decided to take him #1? Holy shit. LeBron and Embiid together the last few years and next few years would have paid off in the long run.

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

They couldn't have possibly known to draft Embiid over Wiggins (and Jabari). And Wiggins for Love proved to be the right move. Wiggins is only just now becoming close to what we hoped he could be.

It was unique to have a player so durable that he could bet on himself and structure contracts so that he could become a free agent and pick his destinations.

Or you can waste away in a crappy organization like Damian Lillard has.

I understand why a player jumping teams every few years might be undesirable for some people. Doesn't bother me much though. He made good choices and has won championships everywhere he's gone. Hard to argue with results.

And it's not like moving teams "hurts" anyone in the grand scheme of life. This is a sport. It's supposed to be fun. He wants to play on teams with people he likes. No different than some of us wanting to like our jobs or the people we work around daily.

You can't say that definitively, because you don't know what woulda happened with Wiggins. You can only say, that it did bring them a title, and if that's your goal, it wasn't the wrong move.

Maybe with wiggins there they win 4 outta 4 titles intsead of 1 and maybe LeBron re-signs and Wiggins does too, and they're celebrating a 7-peat or whatever it would be at this point.

Wiggins might be a different player with different coaches, on a different team, with different teammates especially in those first few years.

[pdub]

With pro sports, with franchises with droughts of titles, typically small market, you do whatever it takes to get the title.

It's why I ain't as angry as I might be with the Frank Clark debacle. Or when the Royals sold important pieces off after they won in 15.

Some of these teams dont win titles for half centuries. Cleveland got guaranteed assets and won a title with them. Good on them.

[Deleted User 863]

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

They couldn't have possibly known to draft Embiid over Wiggins (and Jabari). And Wiggins for Love proved to be the right move. Wiggins is only just now becoming close to what we hoped he could be.

It was unique to have a player so durable that he could bet on himself and structure contracts so that he could become a free agent and pick his destinations.

Or you can waste away in a crappy organization like Damian Lillard has.

I understand why a player jumping teams every few years might be undesirable for some people. Doesn't bother me much though. He made good choices and has won championships everywhere he's gone. Hard to argue with results.

And it's not like moving teams "hurts" anyone in the grand scheme of life. This is a sport. It's supposed to be fun. He wants to play on teams with people he likes. No different than some of us wanting to like our jobs or the people we work around daily.

You can't say that definitively, because you don't know what woulda happened with Wiggins. You can only say, that it did bring them a title, and if that's your goal, it wasn't the wrong move.

Maybe with wiggins there they win 4 outta 4 titles intsead of 1 and maybe LeBron re-signs and Wiggins does too, and they're celebrating a 7-peat or whatever it would be at this point.

Wiggins might be a different player with different coaches, on a different team, with different teammates especially in those first few years.

I think in the end LeBron did Wiggins a favor because it's resulted in Wiggins ending up in Golden State in a great organization where he can thrive and continue to develop.

Sucks that the 1st part had to be in Minnesota because that place isn't great either. But now wiggins has an opportunity to spend his next 8+ seasons in a top 3 organization in the NBA.

[jfish26]

Which is sort of my point. Bron had a golden opportunity to build something sustainable in Cleveland. And he traded it for Kevin Love, won a title and then carpet-bagged his way to LA (leaving Cleveland fucking terrible for years).

They couldn't have possibly known to draft Embiid over Wiggins (and Jabari). And Wiggins for Love proved to be the right move. Wiggins is only just now becoming close to what we hoped he could be.

It was unique to have a player so durable that he could bet on himself and structure contracts so that he could become a free agent and pick his destinations.

Or you can waste away in a crappy organization like Damian Lillard has.

I understand why a player jumping teams every few years might be undesirable for some people. Doesn't bother me much though. He made good choices and has won championships everywhere he's gone. Hard to argue with results.

And it's not like moving teams "hurts" anyone in the grand scheme of life. This is a sport. It's supposed to be fun. He wants to play on teams with people he likes. No different than some of us wanting to like our jobs or the people we work around daily.

You can't say that definitively, because you don't know what woulda happened with Wiggins. You can only say, that it did bring them a title, and if that's your goal, it wasn't the wrong move.

Maybe with wiggins there they win 4 outta 4 titles intsead of 1 and maybe LeBron re-signs and Wiggins does too, and they're celebrating a 7-peat or whatever it would be at this point.

Wiggins might be a different player with different coaches, on a different team, with different teammates especially in those first few years.

Also, it would have been Wiggins AND a max salary spot.

[PhDhawk]

They couldn't have possibly known to draft Embiid over Wiggins (and Jabari). And Wiggins for Love proved to be the right move. Wiggins is only just now becoming close to what we hoped he could be.

It was unique to have a player so durable that he could bet on himself and structure contracts so that he could become a free agent and pick his destinations.

Or you can waste away in a crappy organization like Damian Lillard has.

I understand why a player jumping teams every few years might be undesirable for some people. Doesn't bother me much though. He made good choices and has won championships everywhere he's gone. Hard to argue with results.

And it's not like moving teams "hurts" anyone in the grand scheme of life. This is a sport. It's supposed to be fun. He wants to play on teams with people he likes. No different than some of us wanting to like our jobs or the people we work around daily.

You can't say that definitively, because you don't know what woulda happened with Wiggins. You can only say, that it did bring them a title, and if that's your goal, it wasn't the wrong move.

Maybe with wiggins there they win 4 outta 4 titles intsead of 1 and maybe LeBron re-signs and Wiggins does too, and they're celebrating a 7-peat or whatever it would be at this point.

Wiggins might be a different player with different coaches, on a different team, with different teammates especially in those first few years.

I think in the end LeBron did Wiggins a favor because it's resulted in Wiggins ending up in Golden State in a great organization where he can thrive and continue to develop.

Sucks that the 1st part had to be in Minnesota because that place isn't great either. But now wiggins has an opportunity to spend his next 8+ seasons in a top 3 organization in the NBA.

I mean, you can think that. But you don't know it with any certainty.

[pdub]

It was kinda dumb ( coulda waited, kept Wiggs, and still signed Love ).
But again, he won the title.
Frank Clark and the Chiefs.

[Deleted User 863]

Wiggins then vs Wiggins now are not comparable players imo and he's just now good enough to be a 2nd 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

LeBron teams don't build for the future by waiting around years and years for players to develop. Each season is a quest to win a title. It's worked out a decent % of the time for him.