Kansas Crimson

chiknbut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:38 am

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:31 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:20 am from where i’m sitting, tho, the swamp has only gotten swampier...just with a different horrid smell

and i’m sorry, but if one can’t see that (based on the current drama, or by nearly all of trump’s appointments), then they are either of low intelligence, or are fully biased by immigration/racism, having a “conservative” SCOTUS, or some other singular issue, to the point that they really don’t care what trump does outside of that issue

Of course it has. But in order to understand Trump, you have to place him in context, a context I think very few here would agree with.

Let me try it this way: Trump is neither the start of the rebellion against the establishment nor its end. "Hope and change" was the start of the rebellion. And the end, my heavens, the end will be much worse than Trump.

Hey, leave Joe Walsh out of this, pal!

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:54 am all good points. but if we are to fully discuss the rise of Trump and the voters who support him, then the issue of bigotry cannot be overlooked, or overestimated.

those were among the red flags of candidate Trump, yet instead of it killing his chances like it would for any other candidate, it seemed to be just the push he needed.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:11 am hillary took for granted (among other things) that she’d get Obama’s voters

but, i’d be curious also just how many Obama voters didn’t vote at all in 2016

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:08 am ooh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters

A study by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group found that 9.2% of Obama voters voted for Trump in 2016.[1] According to the American National Election Study, 13% of Trump voters had voted for Obama in 2012.[2] Some analysts have argued that these voters had a disproportionately large impact on the 2016 election because they were concentrated in key swing states in the Midwest, while others have said that they were actually "Obama Republicans" rather than Democrats to begin with.[1][3] A May 2017 analysis by Global Strategy Group estimated that Obama-Trump voters accounted for more than two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's loss.[4]

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:11 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:11 am hillary took for granted (among other things) that she’d get Obama’s voters

but, i’d be curious also just how many Obama voters didn’t vote at all in 2016

I'd guess that number isnt insignificant.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:11 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:11 am hillary took for granted (among other things) that she’d get Obama’s voters

but, i’d be curious also just how many Obama voters didn’t vote at all in 2016

I'd guess that number isnt insignificant.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:02 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:54 am all good points. but if we are to fully discuss the rise of Trump and the voters who support him, then the issue of bigotry cannot be overlooked, or overestimated.

those were among the red flags of candidate Trump, yet instead of it killing his chances like it would for any other candidate, it seemed to be just the push he needed.

Exactly!

The voters who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump are bigots!

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 pm Ken Starr?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:02 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:54 am all good points. but if we are to fully discuss the rise of Trump and the voters who support him, then the issue of bigotry cannot be overlooked, or overestimated.

those were among the red flags of candidate Trump, yet instead of it killing his chances like it would for any other candidate, it seemed to be just the push he needed.

Exactly!

The voters who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump are bigots!

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 pm Ken Starr?

It's worth watching the video, if for no other reason than it shows what Ken Starr actually said.

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:25 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 pm Ken Starr?

It's worth watching the video, if for no other reason than it shows what Ken Starr actually said.

Well fuck. I was in a place where I couldn't play it, and got burned. My apologies to everyone.