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I honestly don't think I'm smart.DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:00 pm "The only one left who can remember...."
You think you're a lot smarter than you actually are.
So do all the rest of us except 1 or 2 people.
which 1 or 2, exactly?DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:09 pmSo do all the rest of us except 1 or 2 people.
You're literally just spewing the memes and GIFs most of us see online. Daily.
Your algorithm thinks you're a republican nowadays it seems. You're presenting the same flawed logic that the right leaning internet influencers are presenting.
my point is that Dems and pubs both keep creeping further and further right about so many issues, and rather than be cognizant of it, so many otherwise-decent posters here would rather keep bickering along partisan lines. you know, that illustration when one fish turns to the other and asks, "what water?"DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:11 pm Is your point that the Dems border policies are xenophobic? Or that the Pubs policies weren't xenophobic back when they were being called that?
What is the purpose here?
yea, it's pretty awful to watch. but the one struggling is not me.DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:18 pm You're really struggling today. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. This is awful to watch in real time.
It's not an attempt to troll. It goes right to how you go about forming and then expressing opinions on things.
Dems having and enforcing a policy on immigration isn't "creeping further and further to the right" unless you go by the GOP horseshit narrative that what the Dems want is a wide open border. Which is of course complete bullshit.ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:19 pmmy point is that Dems and pubs both keep creeping further and further right about so many issues, and rather than be cognizant of it, so many otherwise-decent posters here would rather keep bickering along partisan lines. you know, that illustration when one fish turns to the other and asks, "what water?"DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:11 pm Is your point that the Dems border policies are xenophobic? Or that the Pubs policies weren't xenophobic back when they were being called that?
What is the purpose here?
initiatives like suspending border asylum seems xenophobic, cruel, and at odds with the values upon which our nation was (supposedly) founded - regardless of whether it's dems or pubs doing it.
You don't move the Overton window back toward the center by stopping pulling on it from the side it's farther away from.twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:52 pmDems having and enforcing a policy on immigration isn't "creeping further and further to the right" unless you go by the GOP horseshit narrative that what the Dems want is a wide open border. Which is of course complete bullshit.ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:19 pmmy point is that Dems and pubs both keep creeping further and further right about so many issues, and rather than be cognizant of it, so many otherwise-decent posters here would rather keep bickering along partisan lines. you know, that illustration when one fish turns to the other and asks, "what water?"DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:11 pm Is your point that the Dems border policies are xenophobic? Or that the Pubs policies weren't xenophobic back when they were being called that?
What is the purpose here?
initiatives like suspending border asylum seems xenophobic, cruel, and at odds with the values upon which our nation was (supposedly) founded - regardless of whether it's dems or pubs doing it.
sir, this is the immigration thread.jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:33 pmIt's not an attempt to troll. It goes right to how you go about forming and then expressing opinions on things.
Specifically, you're here lecturing us on how we should focus on the "objective substance of issues." Meanwhile, you are (in another thread) in a two-and-a-half-year-and-running temper tantrum that basically boils down to you giving credence to Putin's talking points justifying his war on Ukraine and its citizens. That temper tantrum has included, multiple times, things like you taking the fact of a genocide investigation Ukraine asked for as evidence of Ukraine's bad acts.
And so, all I'm saying is maybe lay off painting yourself as one who focuses on the "objective substance of issues."
yea, the GOP narrative that what the dems want is a wide open border is horseshit, indeed. And complete bullshit. It's a whole barnyard full of shit!twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:52 pmDems having and enforcing a policy on immigration isn't "creeping further and further to the right" unless you go by the GOP horseshit narrative that what the Dems want is a wide open border. Which is of course complete bullshit.ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:19 pmmy point is that Dems and pubs both keep creeping further and further right about so many issues, and rather than be cognizant of it, so many otherwise-decent posters here would rather keep bickering along partisan lines. you know, that illustration when one fish turns to the other and asks, "what water?"DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:11 pm Is your point that the Dems border policies are xenophobic? Or that the Pubs policies weren't xenophobic back when they were being called that?
What is the purpose here?
initiatives like suspending border asylum seems xenophobic, cruel, and at odds with the values upon which our nation was (supposedly) founded - regardless of whether it's dems or pubs doing it.
Unrelated, eh? Not according to someone I know.ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:00 pmsir, this is the immigration thread.jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:33 pmIt's not an attempt to troll. It goes right to how you go about forming and then expressing opinions on things.
Specifically, you're here lecturing us on how we should focus on the "objective substance of issues." Meanwhile, you are (in another thread) in a two-and-a-half-year-and-running temper tantrum that basically boils down to you giving credence to Putin's talking points justifying his war on Ukraine and its citizens. That temper tantrum has included, multiple times, things like you taking the fact of a genocide investigation Ukraine asked for as evidence of Ukraine's bad acts.
And so, all I'm saying is maybe lay off painting yourself as one who focuses on the "objective substance of issues."
your post here does little more than illustrate just how recklessly narrow you are with your views. And, in bringing shit like this up in an unrelated thread, illustrate how antagonistic you are in pushing as much.
as tempted as I am to respond to each of your own misrepresentations and falsehoods, I'm not going to, because 1. this is not the right thread for it, and 2. I already have! Over and over again! And look what good it did!
that (2) is also largely why I hardly touch the discussion (in another thread) any more...not that anyone has noticed. It's not that there haven't been issues worth discussing, cuz there have.
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:58 pm I mean, if you really wanna consider the history behind this particular issue...
dems were pushing for, of all things, more money to the war machine.
Pubs held out unless they got the tougher border policies they wanted.
Dems conceded the tougher border policies, and pubs blew up the deal anyway.
Then both parties agreed on more money to the war machine anyway.
And now dems are bragging about how they're tougher at the border than pubs.
and here I am, the only one left who can remember when tougher border policies were considered xenophobic, and the kinda stuff dems pleaded for our votes to counter, rather than champion as an initiative of their own.
Let me take another opportunity to request you guys search this very thread for "hollowed-out carcasses." The point remains oh so relevant to this discussion, and so many others.